Dose anyone else Hate! Code Geass.

I agree with you.

Guys we should just forget about this thread. He's not going to listen to us and we're just wasting our time with boy who's too delusional.

In the beginning, I believe the Black Knights stole a lot of the Knightmares they got. That's a pretty standard tactic when a small group is fighting a large group - intercept supplies and arm yourself while depriving the enemy.

It was luck that Lelouch was able to get a top-notch scientist on his team to design new weapons, but it's believable luck. After all, America got Einstein, right? Genius that rivals the best scientist in Britannia, plus stolen materials, plus materials gained from allies who can only support you in secret = badass weapons.

Plus, it should be noted that Britannia didn't go all out against Lelouch until season 2. None of the Knights of the Round appeared in Japan before the second season, and if Britannia was completely serious about winning, they would have been deployed. But think about it. A tiny country has a tiny uprising, and it looks like at best, the country will only liberate itself. There are bigger fish to fry. Of course Britannia wouldn't send all its Knightmares and best fighters to Japan to quell Zero's rebellion.

Part of the tension in the first season (at least, for me) came from seeing how hard a time Lelouch was having with the forces currently in Japan and knowing that to beat the Emperor, Lelouch would have to fight against far greater odds and far tougher opponents.

Your not making this topic any easier.

Appearantly to divide it up we have "intellectuals" and the bi-product of retardation and wapanese. The "intellectuals" see some very deep things in Code Geass and sorta study on what Code Geass was about. The Wapanese just point a finger and then hold up an "I like" or "I hate" sign and staying on only one or few things that they hate about Code geass (or any anime in general).

A unique name?

I've never heard anyone complain about the name "Cloud," even though it's obviously a weird fucking name. It's kind of gay, too, isn't it? Still, it's not like it matters.

Ok maybe I should clerifiy this point I was only taking about the frist time I think it was the 2nd episode. Where he just starts barking orders and everyone just follows in line. If a weird voice called you on a cell phone and told to to stick a twig up your butt would you just do it?

I completly understand them following him later on thats beliveable but gathering followers takes time. Gandi didnt just wake up one day and say people follow me and they did. It takes time to gather followers no one just pops followers out of their ass.

P.S Akasen please dont attack people just because they have different Ideas from you its wrong. Feel free to rag on me as much as you want I really dont care. But you should think of other users feelings before you post.

P.P.S I really dont get why you think my argument is not valid I have posed sevral reasons why I hate CG and only a few were ever challenged with a good responses. All the rest were just, no it makes perfect sence or your stupid.

can I say something?

the reason why ppl think you're just bragging maybe because you state you hate it and said can't really explain it in your very first post.

not only that, you better say all things you hate in code geass in one post rather than bring up another aspect you hate after ppl comment at your opinion.
I think because you state your hate one by one after ppl comment you, they consider you just bragging like a child.

They had no choice, and he had already proven he was on their side when he saved Kallen and supplied them with the Knightmares in the train.
And stop making it sound like they just accepted him right away, cuz that didn't happen.
Tamaki complained loudly about trusting someone unknown and Ougi didn't really start to trust Zero until much later (if ever).

Neither did he, he gained the trust of the resistance, led by Ougi, which already had a number of members.
After the Black Knights first apperance at the collapsing hotel/tower/whatever it was they started to get recognized by other resistances that provided manpower, support and funds.

I believe the first order he gave was to kallen who was damaged and low on power. She was in a real pinch with not a lot of options considering the amount of damage her mecha had taken. Not to mention she was out numbered by mechas that were more powerful. Then suddenly a strange voice came on her line. In my opinion when all hope is lost why not trust a strange voice? If she was fine and had the situation under control I would understand that taking the orders would have made no sense. The same goes for the entire terrorist group. They were all doomed and they knew it. But here's a voice that could prove to be the miracle they needed (hence zero the miracle maker). Desperate times call for desperate measures. Even if them following the voice was a extreme act of desperation once he proved himself by giving them a whole train full of mechas that would be proof enough that the voice maybe worth trusting. You remind me of Shinichirō Tamaki who couldn't believe they were following the voice of some stranger.

Nice.

1st i'm confused I said that I understand a group following a carasmatic leader. So where did the Neither come from?

2nd I have to disagree that even if he gave them mech sure they would take them but realisticly they would just have ignored him. I can understand (Red hair) taking orders to get out of a pinch. But no one follows someone they just met because he made one good call. It just dosn't make any sence at all. There's a chain of command in any group and people dont give those positions up lightly.

This:

Followers didn't pop out of his ass, he gained 'em in a belivable way.


So realistically they should've ignored him and gotten killed because they didn't know the guy who offered them a way to win?

Ougi turned over the leadership of his resistance cell to Zero after Zero proved himself as the more competent and effective commander.

Lelouch saved their asses not once, but twice, showing off his skillz in strategic warfare, and with that he gained the respect needed.

If it would mean victory against britannia Ougi had no reason to not do it, he ain't some power hungry i-must-be-number-one-in-this-organization idiot.

It makes perfect sense.

I'm getting kind of tired of all this. Ohgi realized they had no hope since they were disorganized and out numbered. He put Lulu in command. The leader put him in command and told the others to obey. If your leader in the field gives you a order you follow it.

Also spell check is your friend, use it.

EDIT: I took a couple stuff out. I'm starting to catch this guys stupidity and I'm contradicting myself. I think I'm gonna call it a night for this conversation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief



A 75-pound weakling with no training beating a 300-pound experienced fighter, that's too much. You can't suspend your disbelief that much. But people following someone who saved their ass? You can believe that for the sake of a show, even if it seems little unbelievable.

Furthermore, they didn't all trust Zero right from the start. In fact, in the first battle against Cornelia, some of them ignored Zero's orders, leading to a horrible defeat. After that loss, most of them probably figured out that without Zero, they'd lose every battle and decided to listen to him.

Thats the excuse somone uses for every time they cant explain something stupid.

Second animeholic1 You dont have to post feel free to leave anytime.

3rd KLoWn oh wow 2 battles that means nothing except for he got lucky. Do privates get promoted to general because they commanded a battle no. No one gets promoted to the top seat that quickly. It just dosn't happen. What if he wsa a spy there to kill them. Or what if he was just a lucky SOB. These things would prevent him from rasing in rank for a long time.

What is this the army now? They didn't even have ranks until Zero created The Black Knighs.. Promotion? lol wtf...

Anyways it doesn't matter, everyone here has totally crushed your arguments on several levels ever since this topic began, and seeing how you keep denying all the facts we give you i would say it's pretty obvious that you just don't wanna lose this discussion, which you already have btw.

Sorry... but did I read correctly? Cause I think you just refered to Kallen as the (red hair)? Kallen being one of the most important plot character in the story... That statement makes me question how much attention was focused in watching this, which makes me question your REAL reason for hating this show... Seriously if you don't pay attention to the show you won't pick shit up and of course you won't like it.

It also seems you aren't paying attention to our arguments. We have been going on and on about how the rebellion was reluctant to listen to him. Also, the way Lelouche approached things made it possible. He made a deal with them, that he would promise results if they would lend him their power (after he had proven himself he used this to strike the deal). He delievered the results and they became his followers. Simple really if you actually payed attention to the show.

Yeah, suspension of disbelief is just a bunch of bullshit. It's not important at all. It's not a very basic thing that you'll learn in Lit 101 in middle school, not at all.

Suspend of disbelief is important, and I mentioned it because it's important. It's basically a way of saying, "Take the stick out of your ass and enjoy the show/book/movie/etc."

In Watchmen, Dr. Manhattan's existence and powers don't make any sense at all, but it's okay, because it's not like he woke up one morning with amazing powers. There is a little bit of reasoning to it. Same goes with Lelouch; there are reasons for it, and though they may not be sound and 100% realistic, they allow the viewer to suspend his/her disbelief and enjoy the show. Like everyone has already said, Lelouch got to them when they were in a bind, so it's understandable that they'd listen to him because otherwise, they'd die. Afterwards, they begrudgingly accept him as their leader, after seeing that he's a better strategist and tactician than any of them. What's so hard to believe about that? What makes that totally unbelievable? If I was them, I'd listen to Lelouch in a second, because I'd be tired of getting my ass handed to me all the time by Britannia. You wouldn't do the same? You wouldn't listen to a guy with a good plan, who has shown positive results, when your friends and allies died beside you because you came up with a shitty plan? Yeah, he could have been a spy, but what did they have to lose? Zero turned the little band of fighters into a decent army that could fight against Britannian forces and win. Before Zero, they were shit, and without Zero, they would have been shit.

Oh yeah, one more thing - if they hadn't let Zero take charge, there would have been no show! If Lelouch didn't happen to be on the road when he was, and if he didn't happen to find C.C., there would have been no show. And if C.C. didn't have a special power that she gave to Lelouch, there would have been no show. That's why suspension of disbelief is important, because without it, we'd go mad, trying to figure out what the odds are that the exiled prince of Britannia, who hates Britannia and the Emperor, would find a strange woman with a magical power and be able to fight against Britannia. Why wasn't your first argument, "Why did Lelouch find it? It's more likely that some idiot fuck with no beef with Britannia would find C.C."? That's right, because it's a stupid argument, because of suspension of disbelief.

[size=2]Full circle, baby. Full circle.[/h]

The reason Zero rose to power so quickly is that terrorists don't have the luxury of caring over stupid bureaucracy shit.

Additionally, you are the single most unreasonable person I've met in a long time. All your pathetic misconceptions have been crushed several times over yet here you are still. You might as well tell an admin or mod to lock this thread now because it's only going to get worse from here on in.

I know this was already said but I have to say it again. The resistance listened to Zero because he gave them hope. He proved himself more than enough times so that they trust him. Like the others said, the resistance were backed to a corner and Lelouch offered them a way to win. They had nothing else to lose so why not trust him.







Gin, you can't win. Everything you brought out to defend your statement was futile. You don't seem to understand that your fighting a losing battle especially since your basis for hating the series was premature. Why must you try so hard to prove Code Geass sucked. None of your arguments won because this whole thread has beaten you down time and again. You, who stopped half way, can't prove to people, who watched though both R1 and R2 and know the whole story, that CG sucked. Take ZeroOBK's advice and go ask an admin or mod to lock this thread because you're not going to win anytime soon.