are girls realy weak?
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Salaryman Man wrote...
He never mentioned mental weakness.
So?
Salaryman Man wrote...
You cannot deny the genetical differences between the both genders, stop claiming that all differences are due to social constructs.
1. If women are just as strong as men, why are the very stongest men stronger than the very stongest women?
2. Oh lawdy. Media bombards males with pictures of muscular, handsome men, yet you don't see me (and many others like me) running around trying to look like a model.
3. I've never in my life seen my male friends fight with eachother. Girls, however, act as if they lived only to fight. They get mad at each other all the time for the most trivial of reasons. Backtalking, backstabbing and feuds with "friends" seems to be part of everyday life for many females. So don't give me that damned arguement.
I did not say that all the differences are due to social construct. It'd be silly to make such an assumption. The genetic and hormonal differences between male and female have been reasonably well studied and there is no denying these definitely play a vital role in the development of physique and strength.
I simply said that "part of the perception" that women are weak may be explained through media influences.
1. Again, didn't say that they are just as strong. I said they are not weak as the OP implied.
2. I'm not sure what that argument is supposed to explain. So what? There are a lot of women who don't bother trying to look like models as well. There are also a lot of men who do try to look like models. Whether it is starving yourself to try and appear thin or through strength training to develop better muscle definition, there are people do one or the other, both or neither.
3. Again, so what? I've never seen any of my female or male friends fight. At the same time I have seen female or male friends of other people fight. You don't think guys get mad at each other for trivial reasons? Of course that may depend on your definition of trivial as well (I see fighting over a game of cricket stupid for instance).
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You pose the question as if "girls are weak" is a hard fact.
Just gonna let you know, it's not.
/mytencents
Just gonna let you know, it's not.
/mytencents
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girls aren't weak, they just choose to not get strong.
what I don't understand is pain tolerance; they claim to have very high pain tolerance because of childbirth, yet in day-to-day events, they seem to have very low pain tolerance
what I don't understand is pain tolerance; they claim to have very high pain tolerance because of childbirth, yet in day-to-day events, they seem to have very low pain tolerance
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Lelouch24 wrote...
girls aren't weak, they just choose to not get strong.what I don't understand is pain tolerance; they claim to have very high pain tolerance because of childbirth, yet in day-to-day events, they seem to have very low pain tolerance
maybe they're pretending? or they're just really high off morphine during childbirth?
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From a purely physiological prospective women aren't typically capable of matching the strength of men. I'm sure we've got physics nerds here who can crunch the numbers and tell you the exact difference between the mechanical work that can be accomplished with men and women's bodies from bone structure alone. The thicker, longer bones in a man's body allow greater power to be generated with the same amount of muscle, not to mention the inequality between the anabolic rates of male bodies. Men produce muscles faster, easier and more efficiently than women. From a physiological prospective alone it's easier to see how men are typically stronger.
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[font=verdana][color=green]In all honesty, I hate it when people use the whole "social pressure" argument to support that the female gender are actually the same strength as the male gender normally but are weaker only due to the social constraints. You cannot deny biology; if biology shows that the male gender is stronger than the female gender, don't try and use social pressure to argue why it's the case. Yes, there are females that can beat up a male, but they are the minority.
I hate to speak in generals, but generally speaking, men are stronger than women. Case closed.
I hate to speak in generals, but generally speaking, men are stronger than women. Case closed.
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I tried to read the second page, I really did. But it seemed to devolve into a bit of an argument and I'm tired. I'll make this quick: First I'm a guy and I know girls that are stronger than me. Second, by "stronger" I'll make it broader which is better: I know several girls who could kick my ass. I took karate for several years and my first sensei was a woman. Her brother was in the army and also a black belt and she could take him down along with our other black belt who was a giant.
Note that I mention karate, so I'm not just going by physical strength. As Sam said in the previous post though, physically men are stronger. But if you want to make it a bit more general, in a serious fight it is certainly possible for a woman to take a man out.
Note that I mention karate, so I'm not just going by physical strength. As Sam said in the previous post though, physically men are stronger. But if you want to make it a bit more general, in a serious fight it is certainly possible for a woman to take a man out.
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On average, men are more CAPABLE of being stronger. Biologically they can grow more muscle faster than girls can, but that doesnt mean that guys go out there and try. If you live an average lazy lifestyle eating the same foods, working out as much as the other, the guy will be stronger. But if a girl goes out there and works out while a guy just lays back she can and will be fuck loads stronger than said guy.
For example: One of my best friends was in a gang, she beat the living crap out of other people cause she was in said gang. Other people being men and women. If any guy pissed her off, and she saw reason to, she could kick the living daylights out of him. (hence why I never tried pissing her off)
Edit: I also read every single post here. Social norm and society do not dictate whether girls are stronger or weaker than guys, it just influences the average strength of men and women.
For example: One of my best friends was in a gang, she beat the living crap out of other people cause she was in said gang. Other people being men and women. If any guy pissed her off, and she saw reason to, she could kick the living daylights out of him. (hence why I never tried pissing her off)
Edit: I also read every single post here. Social norm and society do not dictate whether girls are stronger or weaker than guys, it just influences the average strength of men and women.
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Genetically, man's higher testosterone levels give us the upper hand in muscle building.
But in the end, it all comes down to gender roles more than anything else. Men are supposed to be stronger in most contemporary societies, so if they find themselves to be weak, they strengthen themselves. Most women are supposed to be weaker, so if they find themselves to be weaker than most men, they're told it's the right way to be, and they stay that way.
There are all sorts of exceptions in both genders, typically for personal beliefs or reasons, but the majority of people follows the pattern because the majority of people instinctively follows all the patterns society sets out for them.
But in the end, it all comes down to gender roles more than anything else. Men are supposed to be stronger in most contemporary societies, so if they find themselves to be weak, they strengthen themselves. Most women are supposed to be weaker, so if they find themselves to be weaker than most men, they're told it's the right way to be, and they stay that way.
There are all sorts of exceptions in both genders, typically for personal beliefs or reasons, but the majority of people follows the pattern because the majority of people instinctively follows all the patterns society sets out for them.
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[color=#ff0080]I would agree that men are genetically pre-disposed to be stronger than women.
I have also read somewhere that women have a higher endurance than men. So while men are great in short bursts of strength, women can withstand harsh conditions longer. I can't back this up with anything though, but let me peruse and see if I can dig up an article or two...[/h]
I have also read somewhere that women have a higher endurance than men. So while men are great in short bursts of strength, women can withstand harsh conditions longer. I can't back this up with anything though, but let me peruse and see if I can dig up an article or two...[/h]
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BAITMASTER...your an idiot. I have a couple of friends that are girls that would so love to prove you wrong.
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I'm not sure if anything like this has been posted, but I am a martial artist and there are a number of women in my dojo. This isn't the sort of martial arts place where you barely touch eachother this the sort where you savagely try to kill eachother in any way possible. I've been doing it my whole life and I'm pretty damn good at it. Most of the people who can actually keep up with me are women. Not to mention the guru is a woman, and the woman who taught me to perfect the funamentals was a woman. So are girls weak?
Yes. Yes, many of them are. I am constantly frustrated by the will full weakness of them. But when you get the ones who aren't afraid of themselves, or of societal standards. Then no. You got some bad ass, obsessed with perfection of technique,willing to do anything to make victory happen, bad asses.
Let me take a less extreme example. I have a friend and her friend who is also a girl. Now my friend, when attacked, had this sort of instinctual awareness of how attack and defend. She turned into a shit storm of furious swipes and where her punches didn't work her claws came out, not to mention her elbow to face technique. Now her freind, also a punk and a outcast, does not have that instinct. Why? In my opinion it is because she is not a punk and an outcast because she doesn't give a shit about convention or some other noble characteristic that free's her from her own slavery, it is because she wanted to fit in after being teased. At the end of the day, when things get hard, the first thing she is gonna think of is not herself and her own liberty to make life happen but what some system is doing to her.
By the way, I am not a punk and I care a great deal about systems. But when things get hard, I care more about making life happen.
Yes. Yes, many of them are. I am constantly frustrated by the will full weakness of them. But when you get the ones who aren't afraid of themselves, or of societal standards. Then no. You got some bad ass, obsessed with perfection of technique,willing to do anything to make victory happen, bad asses.
Let me take a less extreme example. I have a friend and her friend who is also a girl. Now my friend, when attacked, had this sort of instinctual awareness of how attack and defend. She turned into a shit storm of furious swipes and where her punches didn't work her claws came out, not to mention her elbow to face technique. Now her freind, also a punk and a outcast, does not have that instinct. Why? In my opinion it is because she is not a punk and an outcast because she doesn't give a shit about convention or some other noble characteristic that free's her from her own slavery, it is because she wanted to fit in after being teased. At the end of the day, when things get hard, the first thing she is gonna think of is not herself and her own liberty to make life happen but what some system is doing to her.
By the way, I am not a punk and I care a great deal about systems. But when things get hard, I care more about making life happen.
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Also, if we were to take your average female, the situation the OP described also has 2 very simple reasons:
1) Most girls (like 90% of girls I know, not exaggerating) don't have a clue on how to throw a punch "full strength". The most they can put into it is just arm strength plus a bit of upper-body rotation if you're lucky.
2) Fingernails... If they've grown even a bit more than what you see on a male, they're just going to hurt themselves. Also... I've seen COUNTLESS girls tucking the thumb INSIDE the fist when preparing for a punch...
I think they just subconsciously cannot pull it off.
As for the greater picture... everything's been said already.
1) Most girls (like 90% of girls I know, not exaggerating) don't have a clue on how to throw a punch "full strength". The most they can put into it is just arm strength plus a bit of upper-body rotation if you're lucky.
2) Fingernails... If they've grown even a bit more than what you see on a male, they're just going to hurt themselves. Also... I've seen COUNTLESS girls tucking the thumb INSIDE the fist when preparing for a punch...
I think they just subconsciously cannot pull it off.
As for the greater picture... everything's been said already.
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yanger wrote...
1) Most girls (like 90% of girls I know, not exaggerating) don't have a clue on how to throw a punch "full strength".
How exactly you throw one properly :O ? (out of curiosity).
I just think it depend on each individual person since it easy to generalize like that if you don't do it a good number of time (ex: getting punch by different woman of age and whatnot). For example, when I was 16 (male btw), I only weighted like 120ish and I struggled to just holding a kid pushing me that I feel confident that anyone at my school could kick my ass >.> even the girls in a 1v1.
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Women tend not to work out the same as men, and naturally, their muscles develop differently. They are built more towards tolerating pain than harming others physically. This is not to say women can't be strong, but without working out, they just don't develop muscles the same as men do.
That said, it's an interesting subject today because the superior strength of men has quickly became obsolete with the introduction of technology to perform our labor, and guns for warfare. Technically, it is women who should be out in Afghanistan because their pain tolerance makes them more adept for war, and men who should be caring for families because they are better fit to care for a house.
In short, women are becoming the more dominant sex physically as technology evolves and the need for physical combat and labor decreases.
That said, it's an interesting subject today because the superior strength of men has quickly became obsolete with the introduction of technology to perform our labor, and guns for warfare. Technically, it is women who should be out in Afghanistan because their pain tolerance makes them more adept for war, and men who should be caring for families because they are better fit to care for a house.
In short, women are becoming the more dominant sex physically as technology evolves and the need for physical combat and labor decreases.
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Lishy1 wrote...
They are built more towards tolerating pain than harming others physically.Is that the reason why most masochist are woman :D ?
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As long as they can make it to the kitchen, they are definitely strong enough for me :) JK!
Granted, we are all strong and weak in our own ways.
Granted, we are all strong and weak in our own ways.
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The serious medical answer is kinda obvious.
Whats the biggest physical difference between men and women?
Men have testes and women have ovaries.
Testes produce testosterone (the male hormone) which facilitates muscle growth. This given men an advantage in primarily upper body strength. Because women don't have as much testosterone they have a harder time developing muscles (in a simple sense).
Now on the other hand, the points made about pain tolerance and etc are valid because women produce more estrogen (the female hormone and a powerful pain killer). BTW, yes that means orgasms will STOP headaches not aggravate them.
On a related note, the OP mentioned he was 5'10" and 200lbs, either he is very chubby or very muscular (muscles are twice as dense as fat).
Either way he would have a decent to large amount of momentum behind any punches he throws.
Whats the biggest physical difference between men and women?
Men have testes and women have ovaries.
Testes produce testosterone (the male hormone) which facilitates muscle growth. This given men an advantage in primarily upper body strength. Because women don't have as much testosterone they have a harder time developing muscles (in a simple sense).
Now on the other hand, the points made about pain tolerance and etc are valid because women produce more estrogen (the female hormone and a powerful pain killer). BTW, yes that means orgasms will STOP headaches not aggravate them.
On a related note, the OP mentioned he was 5'10" and 200lbs, either he is very chubby or very muscular (muscles are twice as dense as fat).
Either way he would have a decent to large amount of momentum behind any punches he throws.
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Its never a good idea to assume the quality of a whole from a piece, if you get my drift.
I have a female friend in particular that can dislocate my jaw with one finger, & she doesnt have one of those scary manlady builds either.
I also have another(male) friend who cant even lift 2 12 packs of bottled water without nearly getting a hernia.
Its all dependant on the person, rather than the gender.
I have a female friend in particular that can dislocate my jaw with one finger, & she doesnt have one of those scary manlady builds either.
I also have another(male) friend who cant even lift 2 12 packs of bottled water without nearly getting a hernia.
Its all dependant on the person, rather than the gender.