[Locked] Atheism is not a religion

Of course the analogy matches up:

Religion is a belief that there is a higher deity/something and atheism is LACK of such a belief. Just as you can have a hobby of collecting stamps and not collecting stamps means you don't have such a hobby. It doesn't mean you have a hobby of not collecting them, because that does not meet the definition of having a hobby.

The key phrase here is lack of belief.
For example, you don't believe that unicorns don't exist, you lack the belief that they do.

Thus, Atheists don't believe that they there is no God, they have a LACK of such a belief, and therefore Atheism is not a religion because they lack belief, not because they have a belief that there is no God.

Also, religion is not simply having a belief, it is about having a belief in God/Nirvana/Something, and if you really must insist that Atheism is a belief that there is no God/Nirvana/Something it doesn't mean it's a religion. Belief does not equal religion. Atheism is thus, in your terms, simply a belief, NOT a religion.

Your pretense lies in the fact that you are suggesting that there cannot be any logical argument without the backing you are whining about. The fact that you are actively arguing it, PROVIDES the pretense for the hypocrisy.

So yeah, you are exhibiting hypocrisy.


fayex: Yes, I know what you are trying to say.

I am saying that there is still a belief there. You need to understand that concept.

Belief there is no deities is still a belief Fayex. That's the point. There is something there.

If there was no belief, there would be no opinion on the matter. It means you wouldn't care about it. If that was the case, you wouldn't be forming a distinction in the first place.

Got it?

But Atheism is a rejection of a belief. You cannot believe that you do not believe in a belief, you lack/reject such a belief, not that you... believe that you do not believe in a belief. In this case you are making a decision on what you decide to believe and not believe in. You're simply selecting what you believe in, and what you do not. You can choose not to believe in anything, but it is nonsensical to argue that your belief is believing in nothing. Most people have lists of things they believe in and things they do not, they do not have a list of "things they believe in" and "things they believe they don't believe in"

Got it?

I am not, nor have I suggested that an argument is illogical without citation or backing, had I said that, I would have had to provide backing for every single argument I have made within this thread. I would never say such a silly thing simply for the fact that I lack the required motivation myself to do so. Your logic is flawed, moving on.

Um, rejecting a belief doesn't really mean you don't have one. It just means you don't believe that particular belief.

If you want to look at it like that though. Atheism is the opposing belief to believing in deities.

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That is exactly what you are saying Droomy.

So yeah, I'm just going to considering everything you said and say without citation backing as invalid because you hold that yourself.

You might want to look at my post again since I've edited it quite a bit. But "Atheism is an opposing belief of a belief"................seriously? Isn't that namely, a LACK OF BELIEF?

Um, no?

You are right, that's exactly what I'm saying. I suggested that you should at least try to claim logical fallacies intelligently and then followed up with a statement.



Again, I did not suggest that an argument is illogical due to the fact that there is no backing behind it. That would not make sense at all, there are many things completely illogical but with much backing and support. Like religion.

in case you missed it.

A paragraph is a single topic, thought. Or do you not understand how English works now? You're statement applies to what you are saying.

But it's cool, you can try and weasel out of things again. This is amusing me.

Re-read the post. I made my edits before you replied. EoS.

This post coming from the person who claims that what he writes can mean anything he wants it to because he wrote it. This also coming from the person who had to completely re-word what he had said previously in order to make it seem like he was talking about a specific post and not all posts made by Droomy. You weasel your way failtastically out of everything Kalistean. Stop being such a hypocrite bro.

Didn't miss it.

I did not say the belief is "I believe I don't believe this."

Rejecting one belief. And believing something else. Those are different concepts. Related, usually yes. But not the same thing.

"I reject this opinion. And insert my own." That is what is going on. Got it?

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Droomy: You were making a claim that I was not doing something in regards to it being "Insufficient" for a logical point. You, however, had no room to make the claim because you were not following it either.

It wasn't the only measure, no. But you were suggesting is AS a measure, one you weren't following.

And the rest of it was just you going "You're posts are stupid." so it wasn't worth responding to.

Do you have anything else to add?

Pyre: Putting words in my mouth huh? And not rewording, adjusting my points in an argument.

Couldn't have said it better myself my good man.

Atheism isn't "I don't believe in God, I believe in something else" It is "I don't believe in God". Which is not a belief.

Got it?

edit: actually that is the most simple way I can put it, if you don't get it there is really no hope. I have to get on with my life now, it was fun while it lasted.

Believe this is no deities.

Still a belief.

Simple.

Atheism can be defined two ways. The belief/doctrine that there is no God. Or the lack of belief in a God or gods. Aside from the latter definition, it is in all actuality a belief and, under the current law of the U.S.A, is a religion within their own country. Which just goes to show how poorly the education system there is doing.

Hmmm, not exactly, but it works.

GroverCleaveland: I am not going to stop using words to try to convince someone. Giving up would be the same thing as saying words and logic are ultimately useless. That goes against everything I believe.

Droomy: If you’re going to type up a bunch of paragraphs, you might as well go all the way. Sure, you have one citation, but for Kal’s brain, it’s apparently not enough. I don’t want to see any, “you’re not worth it”; I thought you called yourself a humanist. Now, onto Kal.

Kalistean: Maybe I should say something here that will possibly clarify my point of view more. We all start as Atheists. The origin point is: There are no deities. Therefore, saying “God doesn’t exist” isn’t really claiming anything, it’s stating the obvious. You are remaining at the origin point.

Fayek: Kalistean has his own definitions of words. Stop trying to prove he’s wrong, and prove which definition is right. Yes, I’m telling you to start going to dictionaries, which is what I’m about to do.

Chlor: Hey Chlor! Nice to see you again. I didn’t recognize you because you changed your avatar. Please change it back.

What are you smoking? Atheism isn't the origin point.

The origin point would be nothing. As in having no opinion on the matter.

You need to learn better.

And I never once, asked him for a citation. Maybe you should learn to read Neostriker.

Mayhaps I would have cited a few sources had I not bills to pay and a job to work. The tabs I had open are gone now and I do not save my history (for privacy reasons).

Humanism does not mean that I must be kind or generous towards other people. It does not mean that I must do everything to the best of my abilities for everyone and it certainly does not mean I cannot call someone unworthy of having me cite every single source I used while writing that article. In no way would citing all of those sources actually benefit humanity as a whole.

Being a humanist by one of the four popular definitions means that I must espouse reason, ethics, and justice that I believe in, whilst specifically rejecting supernatural and religious dogma as a basis of morality and decision-making.

I do what I can to help people in my daily life, be it volunteering in the community, working extra hard in the park or playing my violin (not busking) outside of a cafe in order to increase their business.

I believe that so long as I do something each day to better at least one persons life, I am doing my job as a humanist.