[Locked] Atheism is not a religion
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Neostriker, you really don't know what you are talking about do you.
Well, I've already explain how it works, and you still don't get it so there's no point in stating the exact same points for the thousandth time to you.
Droomy: I think our main point of contention was whether or not the belief with Atheism was enough of a factor to make it be considered a religion or not.
Because the main point of Religion is explain something about the cause or reason of the universe for the most part. And a deity does explain that situation.
The fact that the belief there is no deity controlling that, could be enough of a belief to answer a portion of that question.
Though I do admit that it would be a very loose concept of religion at best. So probably the best way to look at the situation is that Atheists have their own person religion, and that Atheism isn't an organized religion.
But I wouldn't disagree against the point if someone wanted to argue that Atheism is a religion, just possibly it is just a very loose one at best.
Well, I've already explain how it works, and you still don't get it so there's no point in stating the exact same points for the thousandth time to you.
Droomy: I think our main point of contention was whether or not the belief with Atheism was enough of a factor to make it be considered a religion or not.
Because the main point of Religion is explain something about the cause or reason of the universe for the most part. And a deity does explain that situation.
The fact that the belief there is no deity controlling that, could be enough of a belief to answer a portion of that question.
Though I do admit that it would be a very loose concept of religion at best. So probably the best way to look at the situation is that Atheists have their own person religion, and that Atheism isn't an organized religion.
But I wouldn't disagree against the point if someone wanted to argue that Atheism is a religion, just possibly it is just a very loose one at best.
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Kalistean wrote...
Neostriker, you really don't know what you are talking about do you.Well, I've already explain how it works, and you still don't get it so there's no point in stating the exact same points for the thousandth time to you.
Then tell me, what would make you see it my way? If you don't answer this right here, right now, then I have no reason other than to believe you simply won't at least consider you might be wrong. In other words, you've given up on yourself. You do not see any other way to improve yourself. If that is the case, then we are done, and I will always refer to you as the loser, since you gave up on yourself.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
NeoStriker wrote...
Kalistean wrote...
Neostriker, you really don't know what you are talking about do you.Well, I've already explain how it works, and you still don't get it so there's no point in stating the exact same points for the thousandth time to you.
Then tell me, what would make you see it my way? If you don't answer this right here, right now, then I have no reason other than to believe you simply won't at least consider you might be wrong. In other words, you've given up on yourself. You do not see any other way to improve yourself. If that is the case, then we are done, and I will always refer to you as the loser, since you gave up on yourself.
You have a stupid way of looking at things. "If you don't answer me then you must have just given up on yourself so I'm automatically right."
Geez man. That's now how an argument takes place and never will be. Whatever you tried to do is just a bastardized version of it.
And no man, nothing you say will "Make me see it your way" because you're wrong. Wrong about pretty much every point you're trying to make about it. You're very confused on what you're arguing, and don't seem to understand a tenth of the subject at hand.
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Kalistean wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Kalistean wrote...
Neostriker, you really don't know what you are talking about do you.Well, I've already explain how it works, and you still don't get it so there's no point in stating the exact same points for the thousandth time to you.
Then tell me, what would make you see it my way? If you don't answer this right here, right now, then I have no reason other than to believe you simply won't at least consider you might be wrong. In other words, you've given up on yourself. You do not see any other way to improve yourself. If that is the case, then we are done, and I will always refer to you as the loser, since you gave up on yourself.
You have a stupid way of looking at things. "If you don't answer me then you must have just given up on yourself so I'm automatically right."
Geez man. That's now how an argument takes place and never will be. Whatever you tried to do is just a bastardized version of it.
And no man, nothing you say will "Make me see it your way" because you're wrong. Wrong about pretty much every point you're trying to make about it. You're very confused on what you're arguing, and don't seem to understand a tenth of the subject at hand.
Yes, if you don†˜t answer, “What would make you see it my way?”, then you do not even consider that you could be wrong. You see no room for yourself for improvement, thus, you have given up. Also, “And no man, nothing you say will †˜Make me see it your way’ because you’re wrong”. I cannot help but notice how child-like this sounds. “You’re wrong because I say so!” I’ll give you one more chance, Kalistean. I want you to at least consider you could be wrong and think about what could make you realize that. If not, then I will simply always refer to you as a loser, and treat you as less-than-a-human.
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NeoStriker wrote...
I am starting to get tired. Being nice is tiring. This is in response to your first bolded statement. You think abandoning someone will help humanity? It doesn’t do anything. In the end, all you get is an abandoned person, and a humanity with one less person. Arrogant…pffft. And I thought I was being nice. It seems you think I’m saying you have to help everyone or something. Pffffffffft, as if I ever said that. What I was saying is that if you weren’t trying to help Kalistean find “truth” when you joined this debate, then what were you doing? Just trying to show him he’s “wrong”? That’s what a child does, you ignorant fool. In the end, all you would’ve gotten was a caressed ego and one person who just lost everything he believed in. Or, are you trying to say, not everyone is “human“? Were you saying Kalistean was actively dis-contributing to mankind? Then I go back to my Stephen Hawking example. I don’t care if anyone is “dis-contributing” to mankind, if they are, I will then show them how to contribute. This is providing I care. I simply can’t care about a random stranger. Kalistean is at least someone I know. Yes, that random stranger has to make me care first. Why is that wrong? If they’re not asking for help, or trying to make someone care, then they themselves have given up. If they’ve given up on themselves, then they’re not worth living. That’s what I call suicide. If they are trying, and no one cares, then keep trying. As if everyone in the whole world won’t care.This is in response to your second bolded statement. Oh, so you are saying you’re a dick. You jumped into that debate merely so you could prove him wrong. And good luck with being limited. And now, here you say something about the reason of whatever. Then tell me, who won? And right there, you admit it’s an excuse.
I joined this debate for my entertainment. I enjoy arguing with other people. Not because I want to prove them wrong, but because I want to learn from the experience. It is always interesting to see varying points of view. It is even more interesting to challenge those points of view, and see how the person being challenged reacts.
Yes I admitted it was an excuse, however; if you look back at the conversation. I never denied the fact that what I had said about not citing my sources was an excuse. I have already explained that and I will not do it again.
NeoStriker wrote...
Just trying to show him he’s “wrong”? That’s what a child does, you ignorant fool. In the end, all you would’ve gotten was a caressed ego and one person who just lost everything he believed in. Or, are you trying to say, not everyone is “human“?This deserves it's own quote and response.
It is funny that you call me an ignorant fool yet, you keep making assumptions about my beliefs and reasoning. And why do you do so? Because you are ignorant about my beliefs and reasoning. Children are quite well known to make baseless assumptions just as you have done. And, because you make these assumptions so often it seems you are poorly versed in the act of judging a situation, which is funny, because that is the exact definition of a fool. One who lacks good judgment. The proper action to take in that kind of situation is, instead of making assumptions, ask. You childish, ignorant fool.
Stop taking everything I say out of context. There is no inference to be made in what I say. I mean what I say and that is, that. I did not say Kalistean was not human. I said I lack the morale capacity to try and help Kalistean for my own reasons. I am not a priest, nor a saint nor a hardcore Humanist. I am simply a man who does what he believes in, and I believe in helping strangers, friends, family, acquaintances and so on when I can, but I am not able to do this all of the time, for whatever reason I may have.
I have had enough of your petty jabs at my beliefs, your misinformed assumptions as well as your lack of ability to understand my writing. Good Day.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
NeoStriker wrote...
Kalistean wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Kalistean wrote...
Neostriker, you really don't know what you are talking about do you.Well, I've already explain how it works, and you still don't get it so there's no point in stating the exact same points for the thousandth time to you.
Then tell me, what would make you see it my way? If you don't answer this right here, right now, then I have no reason other than to believe you simply won't at least consider you might be wrong. In other words, you've given up on yourself. You do not see any other way to improve yourself. If that is the case, then we are done, and I will always refer to you as the loser, since you gave up on yourself.
You have a stupid way of looking at things. "If you don't answer me then you must have just given up on yourself so I'm automatically right."
Geez man. That's now how an argument takes place and never will be. Whatever you tried to do is just a bastardized version of it.
And no man, nothing you say will "Make me see it your way" because you're wrong. Wrong about pretty much every point you're trying to make about it. You're very confused on what you're arguing, and don't seem to understand a tenth of the subject at hand.
Yes, if you don†˜t answer, “What would make you see it my way?”, then you do not even consider that you could be wrong. You see no room for yourself for improvement, thus, you have given up. Also, “And no man, nothing you say will †˜Make me see it your way’ because you’re wrong”. I cannot help but notice how child-like this sounds. “You’re wrong because I say so!” I’ll give you one more chance, Kalistean. I want you to at least consider you could be wrong and think about what could make you realize that. If not, then I will simply always refer to you as a loser, and treat you as less-than-a-human.
"I'll give you one more chance." Who do you even think you are? Some sort of genius? No, you're nothing like that. If you were, you wouldn't be making such stupid comments.
Well first off. Knowing that you are wrong, and thinking there is no way I couldn't be wrong, are two different things kid.
See, you asking me how I could see things your way would mean that you are right and that obviously I'm just wrong and need to readjust to your vision.
But that's not the case kid. You're not right, about anything you're talking about. The chance of you being right is 0% and that is what I'm telling you. I'm not giving up on myself as you're trying to say. I'm not stopping from improving myself. I'm doing none of that crap.
All I'm saying, is that there is no way what you are saying is correct. And that you are just plain wrong. Got it?
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Kalistean wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Kalistean wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Kalistean wrote...
Neostriker, you really don't know what you are talking about do you.Well, I've already explain how it works, and you still don't get it so there's no point in stating the exact same points for the thousandth time to you.
Then tell me, what would make you see it my way? If you don't answer this right here, right now, then I have no reason other than to believe you simply won't at least consider you might be wrong. In other words, you've given up on yourself. You do not see any other way to improve yourself. If that is the case, then we are done, and I will always refer to you as the loser, since you gave up on yourself.
You have a stupid way of looking at things. "If you don't answer me then you must have just given up on yourself so I'm automatically right."
Geez man. That's now how an argument takes place and never will be. Whatever you tried to do is just a bastardized version of it.
And no man, nothing you say will "Make me see it your way" because you're wrong. Wrong about pretty much every point you're trying to make about it. You're very confused on what you're arguing, and don't seem to understand a tenth of the subject at hand.
Yes, if you don†˜t answer, “What would make you see it my way?”, then you do not even consider that you could be wrong. You see no room for yourself for improvement, thus, you have given up. Also, “And no man, nothing you say will †˜Make me see it your way’ because you’re wrong”. I cannot help but notice how child-like this sounds. “You’re wrong because I say so!” I’ll give you one more chance, Kalistean. I want you to at least consider you could be wrong and think about what could make you realize that. If not, then I will simply always refer to you as a loser, and treat you as less-than-a-human.
"I'll give you one more chance." Who do you even think you are? Some sort of genius? No, you're nothing like that. If you were, you wouldn't be making such stupid comments.
Well first off. Knowing that you are wrong, and thinking there is no way I couldn't be wrong, are two different things kid.
See, you asking me how I could see things your way would mean that you are right and that obviously I'm just wrong and need to readjust to your vision.
But that's not the case kid. You're not right, about anything you're talking about. The chance of you being right is 0% and that is what I'm telling you. I'm not giving up on myself as you're trying to say. I'm not stopping from improving myself. I'm doing none of that crap.
All I'm saying, is that there is no way what you are saying is correct. And that you are just plain wrong. Got it?
You are correct. What I meant was, "What would make you see it my way?"
Droomy wrote...
I joined this debate for my entertainment. I enjoy arguing with other people. Not because I want to prove them wrong, but because I want to learn from the experience. It is always interesting to see varying points of view. It is even more interesting to challenge those points of view, and see how the person being challenged reacts.So in this debate, who do you think won the challenge?
Droomy wrote...
Yes I admitted it was an excuse, however; if you look back at the conversation. I never denied the fact that what I had said about not citing my sources was an excuse. I have already explained that and I will not do it again.Droomy wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Droomy wrote...
Mayhaps I would have cited a few sources had I not bills to pay and a job to work. The tabs I had open are gone now and I do not save my history (for privacy reasons).This is an excuse, regardless of whether it’s justified or not.
First of all, I am not making excuses, I'm explaining my beliefs.
Droomy wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Just trying to show him he’s “wrong”? That’s what a child does, you ignorant fool. In the end, all you would’ve gotten was a caressed ego and one person who just lost everything he believed in. Or, are you trying to say, not everyone is “human“?This deserves it's own quote and response.
It is funny that you call me an ignorant fool yet, you keep making assumptions about my beliefs and reasoning. And why do you do so? Because you are ignorant about my beliefs and reasoning. Children are quite well known to make baseless assumptions just as you have done. And, because you make these assumptions so often it seems you are poorly versed in the act of judging a situation, which is funny, because that is the exact definition of a fool. One who lacks good judgment. The proper action to take in that kind of situation is, instead of making assumptions, ask. You childish, ignorant fool.
I have had enough of your petty jabs at my beliefs, your misinformed assumptions as well as your lack of ability to understand my writing.
You bore me with your predictable actions, Droomy. Assumptions? The only “assumptions“ I make are in the form of questions. Even for the cases where I didn’t ask you to clarify, all I did was disagree. Not accepting does not mean not understanding.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
NeoStriker wrote...
Kalistean wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Kalistean wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Kalistean wrote...
Neostriker, you really don't know what you are talking about do you.Well, I've already explain how it works, and you still don't get it so there's no point in stating the exact same points for the thousandth time to you.
Then tell me, what would make you see it my way? If you don't answer this right here, right now, then I have no reason other than to believe you simply won't at least consider you might be wrong. In other words, you've given up on yourself. You do not see any other way to improve yourself. If that is the case, then we are done, and I will always refer to you as the loser, since you gave up on yourself.
You have a stupid way of looking at things. "If you don't answer me then you must have just given up on yourself so I'm automatically right."
Geez man. That's now how an argument takes place and never will be. Whatever you tried to do is just a bastardized version of it.
And no man, nothing you say will "Make me see it your way" because you're wrong. Wrong about pretty much every point you're trying to make about it. You're very confused on what you're arguing, and don't seem to understand a tenth of the subject at hand.
Yes, if you don†˜t answer, “What would make you see it my way?”, then you do not even consider that you could be wrong. You see no room for yourself for improvement, thus, you have given up. Also, “And no man, nothing you say will †˜Make me see it your way’ because you’re wrong”. I cannot help but notice how child-like this sounds. “You’re wrong because I say so!” I’ll give you one more chance, Kalistean. I want you to at least consider you could be wrong and think about what could make you realize that. If not, then I will simply always refer to you as a loser, and treat you as less-than-a-human.
"I'll give you one more chance." Who do you even think you are? Some sort of genius? No, you're nothing like that. If you were, you wouldn't be making such stupid comments.
Well first off. Knowing that you are wrong, and thinking there is no way I couldn't be wrong, are two different things kid.
See, you asking me how I could see things your way would mean that you are right and that obviously I'm just wrong and need to readjust to your vision.
But that's not the case kid. You're not right, about anything you're talking about. The chance of you being right is 0% and that is what I'm telling you. I'm not giving up on myself as you're trying to say. I'm not stopping from improving myself. I'm doing none of that crap.
All I'm saying, is that there is no way what you are saying is correct. And that you are just plain wrong. Got it?
You are correct. What I meant was, "What would make you see it my way?"
Nothing. You're wrong. How did you not get that?
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NeoStriker wrote...
You are correct. What I meant was, "What would make you see it my way?"You are trying to save face by making up an excuse. By Kalistean's definition, you are considered to be a hypocrite.
NeoStriker: "OPINIONATED RESPONSE FILLED WITH IGNORANCE"
Kalistean: "Logic."
NeoStriker: "Oh yeah, well, what I meant was..."
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Droomy wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
You are correct. What I meant was, "What would make you see it my way?"You are trying to save face by making up an excuse. By Kalistean's definition, you are considered to be a hypocrite.
NeoStriker: "OPINIONATED RESPONSE FILLED WITH IGNORANCE"
Kalistean: "Logic."
NeoStriker: "Oh yeah, well, what I meant was..."
Not to mention the fact that he's going "What would make you see it my way" means that he considers himself absolutely right.
This means that he has obviously given up in the situation and is not aiming to better himself in any way.
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Kalistean wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Kalistean wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Kalistean wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Kalistean wrote...
Neostriker, you really don't know what you are talking about do you.Well, I've already explain how it works, and you still don't get it so there's no point in stating the exact same points for the thousandth time to you.
Then tell me, what would make you see it my way? If you don't answer this right here, right now, then I have no reason other than to believe you simply won't at least consider you might be wrong. In other words, you've given up on yourself. You do not see any other way to improve yourself. If that is the case, then we are done, and I will always refer to you as the loser, since you gave up on yourself.
You have a stupid way of looking at things. "If you don't answer me then you must have just given up on yourself so I'm automatically right."
Geez man. That's now how an argument takes place and never will be. Whatever you tried to do is just a bastardized version of it.
And no man, nothing you say will "Make me see it your way" because you're wrong. Wrong about pretty much every point you're trying to make about it. You're very confused on what you're arguing, and don't seem to understand a tenth of the subject at hand.
Yes, if you don†˜t answer, “What would make you see it my way?”, then you do not even consider that you could be wrong. You see no room for yourself for improvement, thus, you have given up. Also, “And no man, nothing you say will †˜Make me see it your way’ because you’re wrong”. I cannot help but notice how child-like this sounds. “You’re wrong because I say so!” I’ll give you one more chance, Kalistean. I want you to at least consider you could be wrong and think about what could make you realize that. If not, then I will simply always refer to you as a loser, and treat you as less-than-a-human.
"I'll give you one more chance." Who do you even think you are? Some sort of genius? No, you're nothing like that. If you were, you wouldn't be making such stupid comments.
Well first off. Knowing that you are wrong, and thinking there is no way I couldn't be wrong, are two different things kid.
See, you asking me how I could see things your way would mean that you are right and that obviously I'm just wrong and need to readjust to your vision.
But that's not the case kid. You're not right, about anything you're talking about. The chance of you being right is 0% and that is what I'm telling you. I'm not giving up on myself as you're trying to say. I'm not stopping from improving myself. I'm doing none of that crap.
All I'm saying, is that there is no way what you are saying is correct. And that you are just plain wrong. Got it?
You are correct. What I meant was, "What would make you see it my way?"
Nothing. You're wrong. How did you not get that?
Then I will always refer to you as a loser and as less-than-a-human.
Droomy wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
You are correct. What I meant was, "What would make you see it my way?"You are trying to save face by making up an excuse. By Kalistean's definition, you are considered to be a hypocrite.
NeoStriker: "OPINIONATED RESPONSE FILLED WITH IGNORANCE"
Kalistean: "Logic."
NeoStriker: "Oh yeah, well, what I meant was..."
Looking back at my post now, I was always asking him, “What would make you consider yourself wrong?” The only time I used “could” was, “I want you to at least consider you could be wrong…” “Would” would not work in that context.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Spoiler:
Because you're wrong?
That doesn't make sense son.
If you had said something like "How could you go about seeing things in a different way?" that would be an entirely different answer.
The fact that you are trying to reword that statement doesn't change the fact that you're still completely wrong.
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For the amazing amount of text, all I get out of this page so far is that Droomy and Kalistean think NeoStriker is an ignorant child, while NeoStriker thinks the same of them. Droomy is sort of a bystander as Kalistean and NeoStriker duke it out over who is more able to ignore the arguments presented by the other in a great big kid-fight banaza. Kalistean is baffled by NeoStriker's use of abstract concepts and NeoStriker is enjoying himself playing with Kalistean's limited mind. On the other hand everyone seems to be frustrated with NeoStriker confusing people with his off topic comments, and holy crap they made it to the next page before I finished typing.
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This thread has gone far enough from its orignal purpose and devolved into a slugfest of ideas, half-baked logic, and direct attacks. Five pages of this is enough.
If you guys really read what Chlor and unmut were trying to say, this entire argument would be moot.
@rueaku: lololol, I was going to note the same thing. I was still on the tenth page when I was making my post.
If you guys really read what Chlor and unmut were trying to say, this entire argument would be moot.
@rueaku: lololol, I was going to note the same thing. I was still on the tenth page when I was making my post.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
rueaku wrote...
For the amazing amount of text, all I get out of this page so far is that Droomy and Kalistean think NeoStriker is an ignorant child, while NeoStriker thinks the same of them. Droomy is sort of a bystander as Kalistean and NeoStriker duke it out over who is more able to ignore the arguments presented by the other in a great big kid-fight banaza. Kalistean is baffled by NeoStriker's use of abstract concepts and NeoStriker is enjoying himself playing with Kalistean's limited mind. On the other hand everyone seems to be frustrated with NeoStriker confusing people with his off topic comments, and holy crap they made it to the next page before I finished typing.Baffled by abstract concepts? Um no. I'm not baffled by them at all kid. I understand perfectly well what he is trying to do.
He's just doing it wrong.
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NeoStriker wrote...
So in this debate, who do you think won the challenge?No one "won" the challenge. It was discontinued.
Droomy wrote...
Yes I admitted it was an excuse, however; if you look back at the conversation. I never denied the fact that what I had said about not citing my sources was an excuse. I have already explained that and I will not do it again.Droomy wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Droomy wrote...
Mayhaps I would have cited a few sources had I not bills to pay and a job to work. The tabs I had open are gone now and I do not save my history (for privacy reasons).This is an excuse, regardless of whether it’s justified or not.
First of all, I am not making excuses, I'm explaining my beliefs.
Don't you mean.
Droomy wrote...
NeoStriker wrote...
Droomy: If you’re going to type up a bunch of paragraphs, you might as well go all the way. Sure, you have one citation, but for Kal’s brain, it’s apparently not enough. I don’t want to see any, “you’re not worth it”; I thought you called yourself a humanist. Now, onto Kal.
Humanism does not mean that I must be kind or generous towards other people. It does not mean that I must do everything to the best of my abilities for everyone and it certainly does not mean I cannot call someone unworthy of having me cite every single source I used while writing that article. In no way would citing all of those sources actually benefit humanity as a whole.
Being a humanist by one of the four popular definitions means that I must espouse reason, ethics, and justice that I believe in, whilst specifically rejecting supernatural and religious dogma as a basis of morality and decision-making.
I do what I can to help people in my daily life, be it volunteering in the community, working extra hard in the park or playing my violin (not busking) outside of a cafe in order to increase their business.
I believe that so long as I do something each day to better at least one persons life, I am doing my job as a humanist.
Hmph, if you’re going to start making excuses, you shouldn’t have jumped into the argument in the first place. And helping Kalistean find “truth” isn’t helping humanity? Kalistean isn’t human? Tch.
As I have already explained. I did not know what you were referring to when you wrote this (because you were unclear), as such I replied with
Droomy wrote...
"I am not making excuses, I am explaining my beliefs."[/b] - Yep, pretty sure I didn't deny that my previous words were an excuse, I did however deny that my lack of morale capacity was an excuse to not help Kalistean see your so called "truth". There are certain things I can and cannot do and I long ago decided on what I would be adamant with in life. Due to that, surpassing my morale capacity is an impossibility for me, as it would go against my own beliefs.Tell me again how you thought I was talking about this when I obviously stated that I am responding to the fact that you called my lack of a morale capacity an excuse with this:
Droomy wrote...
Mayhaps I would have cited a few sources had I not bills to pay and a job to work. The tabs I had open are gone now and I do not save my history (for privacy reasons).NeoStriker wrote...
You bore me with your predictable actions, Droomy. Assumptions? The only “assumptions“ I make are in the form of questions. Even for the cases where I didn’t ask you to clarify, all I did was disagree. Not accepting does not mean not understanding.That was not the point of my post. The point of my post was to point out your poor lack of judgment. And I can say this because you somehow ended up with "Is Kalistean not human?" out of "I lack the morale capacity to help Kalistean".
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Kalistean wrote...
rueaku wrote...
For the amazing amount of text, all I get out of this page so far is that Droomy and Kalistean think NeoStriker is an ignorant child, while NeoStriker thinks the same of them. Droomy is sort of a bystander as Kalistean and NeoStriker duke it out over who is more able to ignore the arguments presented by the other in a great big kid-fight banaza. Kalistean is baffled by NeoStriker's use of abstract concepts and NeoStriker is enjoying himself playing with Kalistean's limited mind. On the other hand everyone seems to be frustrated with NeoStriker confusing people with his off topic comments, and holy crap they made it to the next page before I finished typing.Baffled by abstract concepts? Um no. I'm not baffled by them at all kid. I understand perfectly well what he is trying to do.
He's just doing it wrong.
Well it didn't show in your comments... oh well, this 'kid' is going to sleep anyway so don't mind me.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Um, Neostriker.
You never said "What would make you consider yourself wrong?"
You were asking "What would make you see it my way?"
Those are entirely different questions.
If you're going to try and be all abstract and philosophical, be sure to understand what you're trying to do.
The problem was never could or would.
It was the "see it my way?" part kid.
You never said "What would make you consider yourself wrong?"
You were asking "What would make you see it my way?"
Those are entirely different questions.
If you're going to try and be all abstract and philosophical, be sure to understand what you're trying to do.
The problem was never could or would.
It was the "see it my way?" part kid.
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Kalistean wrote...
Spoiler:
Because you're wrong?
That doesn't make sense son.
If you had said something like "How could you go about seeing things in a different way?" that would be an entirely different answer.
The fact that you are trying to reword that statement doesn't change the fact that you're still completely wrong.
Actually, using “could” instead of “would” would’ve meant that you are definitely wrong, and I need something that can show you that. Using “would”, I am asking: “if” you are wrong, what could you make you see that? But okay, let’s pretend I said “could”. What would be the entirely different answer?
g-money wrote...
This thread has gone far enough from its orignal purpose and devolved into a slugfest of ideas, half-baked logic, and direct attacks. Five pages of this is enough. If you guys really read what Chlor and unmut were trying to say, this entire argument would be moot.
@rueaku: lololol, I was going to note the same thing. I was still on the tenth page when I was making my post.
Um, why? I admit I should probably start taking this to PMs, but...is anyone else going to use this thread? Even if they do, they can totally just ignore us.
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
I've read both sides of the argument. I've decided to file this under paradox along with black, zero and cold.