Male Privilege

I guess people feel more comfortable seeing people that are similar to them in positions of power. It makes them feel more represented, and probably more likely to have issues the feel are important addressed. Although to be perfectly honest, I can understand why there isn't more(currently, although I wouldn't be surprised if there were more women taking up seats in the House of Reps).

Running for public office is hard and expensive, and it's usually not a commitment most women(and men) want to make, even if they are more accomplished than the shmucks running.

Again, I ask how that's privilege, or even for that matter, sexism? All that shows is a politician is gonna do some mud slinging. So a person's sex is what gives him the ammo? That's not privilege, it's merely something that he's gonna use to his advantage, and it makes him an asshole. Fuck, it's even looked down upon. It's always gonna exist, people are gonna downplay their opponents, whether their a man or a woman. That's as equal as it'll get, what more do you want?

Of course you can vote a CEO into power. That is what economics is. Your vote is your money, if you don't like something, you don't buy it. It not enough people buy things then they lose money, when they lose money they bankrupt or get new management. It's not a hard concept to understand.

I know exactly why so many women are graduating and not getting jobs.
http://www42.statcan.gc.ca/smr08/2011/smr08_153_2011-eng.htm
"61% — The percentage of university graduates that were women in 2007."

Because even in a study in 2007, there was 21% more women graduating from university than men. This seems like a pretty logical answer that when there are far more stock than demand, stock goes to waste. This is not a time where there is instantly a billion job offers on your door step every day. We have just gone through a HUGE economic crysis and everyone is having a hard time getting a job. Don't act like you're some special case. There is no proof that women get denied jobs more, especially not in this downturn economy.

And to further my point, those people have to retire eventually and pass the torch to someone educated enough to take up the post, who are they going to pick, the university graduate female or the high school drop out male at mcdonalds. You have the numbers advantage, there is no excuse.

Again to adress politics, WOMEN ARE THE MAJORITY, now will you shut up about the male dominated politics, if you don't like it vote for women. But you don't vote for women do you, and who's fault is that? The politician didn't put a gun to your head and make you vote for him. You make the choice, grow up. Accept responsibility.

You might have a point, at an interview they do see you. But I've been around my fair share of job interviews and even working in the video game industry, a male dominated industry. I've lost jobs to females because it looks better to the public.

Just because you claim it's rare doesn't make it rare. Women exploit appearence in the work place, and even if it truely was rare, what do you think the ratio of women to male exploitation based on appearence is. 99.99 to 0.01 female to male. Doesn't seem like male privilage there.

And your final statment makes no sense at all. Yeah women are more likely to be attacked at night, that has nothing to do with male privilage and just because you are told to be safer at night has nothing to do with male privilage. Like I said in the first place, a lack of being told something is not privilage.

What really sickens me is that there are still women out there like you who are constantly claiming to be victims. You act like you are some stong intellegent being but can't take criticism, can't even stand on your own 2 feet without crying out some kind of injustice.

Go out on the street in the city and talk to the homeless. Take a poll and see how many of those on the street are male and those who are female. Then you can about male privilage. Men are expected to be tough, women are expected to complain. All this here is just more complaining, how about taking some responsibility for once and taking some action.

Not enough female CEO's, then how about starting your own company, this is a free world. Or how about running for political office on your female victimization platform.

The privilage is that male is deemed a good, or at lease neutral, sex.
To call out someone for being female is considered mudslinging. Because mudslinging invloves calling out negative qualities of someone/something, this means in this case (and in others: for example, expressions and language, such as "don't be such a pussy[a "bad" gendered word]" or "take it like a man [thus "good" gendered person]") merely being female is a negative quality.

Thus, by default and no choice of their own, a female is on lesser standing than the neutral or normal, the male.

Still think you're looking too far into it. And when did I say that the guy would call her out for being a woman? That's not even an attempt at mud slinging. Mud slinging is taking the others policies, and nitpicking the negative turns or views on said policies. Hell, they'll even go as far as going into their past.

In short, they'll never use the gender itself as something to go against a female opponent, it's always the what they stand for or something. And the Male be the default is neutral. It's your own view that that women are seen as lesser, or your view on what society says.

Hi, I am male and after reading the OP, the list and all the posts I am sorry to say this but, I strongly disagree with the vast majority of the points of the previous list and strongly agree with what theotherjacob said.

For me, the majority of the points are biased because they get "common actions/rules", even sense, for both genders and twist the meanning to victimize women and show off the men privileges.

However, I completely agree that men have some kind of privileges in certain areas or aspects of society, but guess what, so do women in others. Does that mean is better for the former than the later? I don't think so, each gender has its "advantages" and "disavantages" because guess again, correct! We are different and to expect to men and women being complete equal is, in one word, BS.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying I don't want women to have the same rights that men have, but there are some NATURAL differences between men and women that these "feminist" can't understand and move on and try to fix other more serious problems that lay not only in men or women but in both of them.

In all honesty I consider women far more capable than men for a lot of different jobs, including those like the ones commented in this topic. Why do I think this? Because my mother proved it to me. However, my mother was also aware that there are differences between men and women and that trying to get the same both of them is actually BS and impossible to accomplish in reality.

*Note: I do apologize if my English is not that good, it is not my first language and I did not get any sleep at all, so I feel kind of dizzy and probably make some mistakes.

I can't deny that some aspects of that list are true, hell, most are. My problem with the list is that they stretch the definition of privilege. Hell, most of those things just happen to be statistics, not anything really based on privilege. There are points, and like you said, there's privilege's for women as well.
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*edit* found this list that goes and breaks down the earlier list.

I have to come back to this because it bothers the hell out of me that you believe such a stupid thing and that the author even believes it. You're flat out saying that the reason there are violent men outside at night is because women choose to not listen to wise advice and not go out after dark. It sounds crazy to even contemplate that as logic. It's the exact same as saying that the reason there are lions in the wilds is because people go out there to look at them. There are bad people out there who will gladly hurt both men and women at night, most bad people don't take a preference.

The blame does fall partly on the person who commits the act of aggression but the fault also lies with the victim in that situation.

"If you are told to not do something and you do it, it's cause you have brain damage" - Bill Cosby

If a person, for example lets say female, walks into a forest at night and gets mauled by a bear, is it the bears fault? It is the persons fault for being stupid, not the gender, not the world, not the aggressor, the person who went into the forest at night.

If a man did the exact same thing, people would say that he is stupid. If the woman did it, everyone would have mixed opinion. Nobody would ask why the man was in the forest, what compelled him to be in the forest, they are satisfied saying that he was an idiot and died because of it. Women on the other hand are supposed to have a reason, was she running from someone? Was there something in the forest? Did she have someone with her? People ask questions based on gender but that is not privilage.

If anything this is female privilage because they are the ones who are better looked after. People go out of their way to protect females, to ask questions and inquire to reasons. But men are disposible.

Want another example of this, the majority of infanticide is commited by females. The majority of cases commited by females lead to arrests of the father or another male figure. Nobody immediately assumes the mother killer her child and nobody investigates that until all other leads are dead ends.

I'm still waiting to be told how amazing it is to be a male in a female driven society where a woman can exploit the legal system to take away a mans family, to take away his career over that family. There are men out there who aren't even the biological father of children paying child support and that is not an uncommon thing because of women. But you know male privilage is awesome.

Aaah feminists ideas of "men ruled world"

Yes i agree that in certain fields men got some privilege, and i even agree that in certain fields its unfair for said men to have privileges.

However, women have privileges as well.
Lets see few examples:

Average time to serve in prison sentenced (i don't remember ideally but i think it was like 40% less time to serve in jail for women)

Or how about violence when done by women, how many men even report this ?
If girl punched man in a bar, no one will pay much attention, your man, you must have deserved it and even if you didn't as a man its like nothing to you, you can withstand it. If man hit girl in bar police will be there in like 5.
Same thing whit domestic violence done by women.

Or if men will go to police and say he was raped by women (this kind of cases are not even taken seriously) especially if drugs where involved, lets say female used alcohol to drug man, and then raped him. Good luck getting this to police.

Or lets look at work place sexual harassment, female always complain about this, but how many males get sexually harassed and just stay silent, you cant complain if your man.

Or when divorce happens who gets kids ? or who makes child support payments and how much?

Who serves in army? I don't see any women being forced to serve 1-2 years in army and being forced to kill other people.

Last i want to quote one man from youtube:
"Feminism is the idea that we can make both sexes equal by focusing solely on the issues of one of them" The Amazing Atheist

I guess not having to serve when selected for a draft, the fact that the majority of women are in higher education, the majority of women are more often selected for teaching, the fact that women most of the time receive the children in a divorce, the fact that some women and men believe men can't be raped by a woman and if a man fills a complaint they are ridiculed, even touching a women in a heated conversation can be seen as abuse, abuse by a woman is laughed at(for example the woman who cut off the penis of her husband) as opposed to the opposite side, and other situations. I don't believe either gender is equal, but you can't be that ignorant of the double standers and how women have more or less privileges as opposed to their counter parts depending on the situation.

You can be a father who has always been there for their kids and kids be in their early teens, but the court most of the time will choose the mother over the father. This decision is based on the bias that females are adequate caretakers as opposed men because men were seen as the providers and women were the stay at home moms. 10 to 15% of men have sole custody of their children, but the rest either have no custody or joint custody with men barely getting visitation.

From Female Privilege Checklist

29. I can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. I can be aggressive with no fear of being called a bitch. (No, there are other words for men like that: jackass, dick-head, prick, blowhard, windbag and a thousand others. --NG)

So, why is suddenly 'bitch' so wrong while the other words normal? And while you're at it, kindly read the other problems pointed out in the list. I do agree that some of the concerns raised by females about this so-called male privileges are valid concerns indeed, but most of the things these feminists spout only show that they bitch for the sake of bitching.

The use of 'bitching' instead of other available words is completely intentional. And no, even though I quoted a specific poster, other feminists please feel free to enlighten me as well.

Male and female will never be truly equal. For that to happen we must be same.

Goals of the feminism where achieved long time ago. (like right to vote for example)

And current goals of feminism are to be on top of males (however that is not equality)

And whit all that feminism stuff i think we are starting to lose feminine side of women in this battle. I can only speak for myself on this matter but i like when women wear dresses and not pants.

So lets assume that feminists get this "rights" thru and we will have all that they wish for, we will have women who dress like man, got man haircut, manners, way of speaking and whole package except for package. Can you really call that women? or is that just man without dong.
I think having same rights for paycheck and good job and opportunities is obvious, but women should still be women, or should i start wearing dresses then ?

Actually no, the goal of mainstream feminism is about gender EQUALITY and parity.

"Lose the feminine side"? Not really. One is always free to choose their mannerisms, if they veer to feminine or masculine "traditional" sides, doesn't matter. One can be some of both, no matter their sex. Those "values" are not inherent in either sex: they're enculturated. Anyone can posses them. As to not wanting women wearing pants... lets just say they enable us to actually do work without having to worry about covering our literal asses in the process.

Women, and men, can dress in any way they please. Long hair or short, they're still who they are. It gives life more variety to allow people to present themselves as they wish.
If you want to wear a dress, by all means, go for it! I'm all for shared fashions, why restrict oneself to a single mode of dress?

well as far as i see it we got some equality, its not like 300-400 years ago when you could whip women for not doing work, or every women was expected to do housework, cook, watch after mans needs.
at the moment some things favor man, and some favor female, so more or less we are equal.

got no idea what you mean by parity tho.

As much as id like to wear dresses ;D well maybe kilts or something i don't think we should be or will ever be free to choose such things without society's norms.

example: i like hats, and in country i live in its not ok for man to wear hat, simple as that, only kind of hat that's ok is stocking cap.
Now i went all f. social norms and bought myself a hat, when i wear it
most of ppl stare like im some criminal just cos i wear hat. (imagine if i wore dress ;D )

Such things remove "freedom" to make choice.
Few hundred years ago it was not ok for women to vote and meddle in politics at all, if you where born female only things you where expected to do is cook, clean house, and give birth to babies.
As a society we came together and decided that's not ok, so we fixed this problem.

That's why we should be careful when changing social norms.
At the moment we don't have many men walking in dresses and reason is its not acceptable, if we start saying its ok for man to wear dress slowly more and more ppl will start doing so, and in X time we have society where men wears dress.

I don't really like that idea so i decide to not support it.
I think that man should be man and behave like one, and women should be women, same as certain behavior is expected of you if you are human.
By doing so we also maintain variety.

PS: we are way to blended already, is there really piece of clothing that women cant wear ?

I'd comment on this topic, but I have male privilege, so I ought not to.

^ That is pretty much all one should know about what it is, how it's used, and the absurdity of it all.

The whole idea of "privilege" is so petty and idiotic I refuses to even acknowledge it as a thing. I will not participate in the whole-sale victimization of women by the psychopaths known as neo-femenists(read: 16 year olds on Tumblr).

The goal of mainstream feminism may have at one point been about what you say it is, but it is now about female SUPERIORITY. Mainstream feminism has become a gathering place for misandristic and hateful people who refuse to believe that the problems that purvey our society are not caused by exclusively by men. Anyone who would dare to check their skewed facts or question the sanity of their ideas is instantly labeled a misoygnist women beater who sexualizes women at every turn.

Don't like being objectified? Take it up with female people like Snooky, or females from other reality T.V. shows. Now of course any sane person will point out how stupid those people are, and they would be right. But look at how popular Jersey Shore was, look at how popular Here comes Honey Boo-boo is becoming. Your own gender is perpetuating negative aspects of the female reputation and you do NOTHING to combat it. Jersey Shore went on for 6 FUCKING SEASONS and there was no outcry for it to be shutdown. Feminists are content to see a problem and simply blame it on 'male privilege'. No effort is made to fix it on their own, and men are expected to 'stop being sexist' and make the problem go away.

Now here's someone who says it way better than me.

Name them. I'm a 21 year old White American, I've been searching for my first job for 3 years now.

Had I the "fortune" of being born in my grandmother's time, I would've gotten a job in about a few weeks.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/12/white_people_wont_be_the_major.html

America, as an European State has been pissed down the drain. And it's this ignorance which has manifested which has allowed it.

Yes, by golly, your state should be favorable to you. Should Africans be mistreated in Africa? Mexicans should feel it's favorable in Mexico, ETC.


And on "Male Privilege", this cites Britain but it's the same thesis that FPOD alluded to: "What Privilege?"

http://www.mankind.org.uk/pdfs/Key%20Statistics%20Feb%2009_final.pdf

The historic male privilege was nothing more than to take the more difficult, tasking physical labor. For which males were **gasp** more equipped to do.

What first was a legitimate aspiration for the right to vote, and the right to
pursue their own relational matters has now became the degradation of the female part of our society.

Make no mistake: Men and Women are different. For every few thousand(or I'll even give you millions) of women who may meet a man's physique, there are tens of thousands and millions of more men.

Was Nature sexist? No, it was rather balanced. It said "Men, fill this part of society, women, fulfill this part." And through unison, the pieces to the puzzle fit.

It would be far too difficult to engage in both physical and mental labor. That's why being a single parent is very difficult.

So now we're judging the entire sex by a few poor examples?

By that same measure, I would call out all male idiots in this world to attribute stupidity to the entire male sex. Which would be, like this, hugely erroneous.

Also, using a video from a known MRA? Ugh... no thanks, that's not a balanced PoV in the least.