Yuan Shikai wrote...
You're seriously saying that the world would have been better if the United States had aligned two of the most bloodthirsty, genocidal states in history?
Jesus christ, I'd expect to see bollocks like that on Stormfront.
It was a war, people die. The war also happened for a reason. From Germany's perspective, the Versallies treaty was both unfair and unfounded. You make the point that the war didn't happen until 1939, until that time Germany had asked for the world and indeed the League of Nations to uphold it's premise to the rest of the world.
It hadn't, much the same way as the U.N holds up absolutely nothing. As such, Germany left the League of Nations(and it shortly collapsed thereafter)
Also, this takes us so far away from the original premise of the post. But when you mention "bloodthirsty", you are obviously referencing to the Holocaust. Which is as complicated of an issue as any(You can actually be arrested for so called "Holocaust Denial", which is proof if anything on the inconsistencies).
So I'll give you this:
1: Yes, Jewish People died. To the number of Tens of thousands.(even Hundreds of thousands).
2: It wasn't anywhere close to 6 million though. Heck, there weren't 6 million Jews in all of Europe, let alone Germany.
Even as a child, far before learning of fascism(and of course, being educated in the 'horrors of Hitler'). I made the immediate correlation to the improbability if not impossibility of one man, let alone one government systematically rounding 6 million people and executing them.
Of course, I said nothing during my school days(who could? Surprisingly, our democracy is as similar as a supposed 'authoritarian regime'.) Nevertheless, whether the number is thousands or millions, it's still a horrific crime. But it's also warfare. Also not mentioned is enemy(Soviet fire) on the German home territory when they had broken through German lines. No doubt those executions also had a part to do with it.
It's quite similar in Japan, Japan in recognition that to be a technologically savvy country is to have territory for itself, expanded out to the East Asia areas and China. The Rape of Nanking is especially cruel, but it could've all been avoided.
If we had agreed to supply Japan, in exchange for loosening their territorial grips on East Asia, Pearl Harbor doesn't happen. Had we lowered our arms, similarly to the Germans under the Versallies treaty, the war doesn't happen.
Hell, scratch that, Hitler doesn't even get elected! I recognize war crimes to be, while cruel, natural in a state of war. If we need any proof of this, our 'noble' military rapes our uniformed women. There is no honor in warfare, as Nosferatsu wisely points out.
The point being, U.S. geopolitical considerations were utterly incompetent. So incompetent, your only defense to their stupidity is the genocide that occurred during the war.(With which the Allies are also partially responsible. Or are Civilian Russians, Germans and the civilians of their respective allies not people?)
The U.S. and Britain(as well as all of Europe) had everything to gain from recognizing centralized, individual power within governments and communities. An alliance with the Axis would have made a Boom that would last centuries, eons even.
Yuan Shikai wrote...
Except that the Lend-Lease programme didn't begin until 1941. Hell, the war didn't even begin until 1939. If you're going to be making pro-fascism arguments at least get your history right.
My due apologies to getting the year wrong, but that doesn't take away the fact that the programme came at a time when the Germans were encroaching on British Territory.
War happens, War Crimes happen(even on our side) but that doesn't take away from geopolitical considerations. We know the world we live in today, and the decision the leaders of our respective countries took then.
What if they took the opposite? The merging of U.S. raw resources, German and Japanese technology and knowledge. We ourselves received the benefit of one Albert Einstein. Can you imagine a far more coordinated effort?
Being a Fascist doesn't mean I condone those war crimes(nor acknowledging them as natural in a state of warfare means that I condone them). But I do understand the why behind the war, how it all could've been prevented.
As evidence, look at Japan today. With U.S. Alliance and trade flowing through, Japan has no need for territorial claims. Of course, hovering a nuke over the world will change things but the U.S position on not using nukes is so strong, a nation state couldn't possibly take us seriously even if we threatened its usage.