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xninebreaker
FAKKU Writer
A bit late, but, Happy New Years everyone! Anyone have any resolutions they'll be following (or trying to) this year?
Good luck Ezlare! I don't know if working on it non-stop is a good idea though. The burnout could be real.
Ezlare wrote...
So like, I am currently making a new RP months after my first one went downhill. Been working a good 2 months on this one and I think I am making good time, perhaps I can get this guy out and about in...say...the 15th? But that's if I work on it nonstop.Good luck Ezlare! I don't know if working on it non-stop is a good idea though. The burnout could be real.
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xninebreaker wrote...
A bit late, but, Happy New Years everyone! Anyone have any resolutions they'll be following (or trying to) this year?Ezlare wrote...
So like, I am currently making a new RP months after my first one went downhill. Been working a good 2 months on this one and I think I am making good time, perhaps I can get this guy out and about in...say...the 15th? But that's if I work on it nonstop.Good luck Ezlare! I don't know if working on it non-stop is a good idea though. The burnout could be real.
I dunno, I've gotten quite far even after working on and off from these few months. Who knows, maybe it would be less than a few days, maybe a week, possibly longer.
And to answer your question, my New Year's resolution is to get less salty in general. All that salt can be deadly for one individual, lol.
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I guess I was wrong about their being less entries. If I didn't miscount, this year has the same number last year did.
But I love salt.
Ezlare wrote...
And to answer your question, my New Year's resolution is to get less salty in general. All that salt can be deadly for one individual, lol.But I love salt.
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d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
I guess I was wrong about their being less entries. If I didn't miscount, this year has the same number last year did.Ezlare wrote...
And to answer your question, my New Year's resolution is to get less salty in general. All that salt can be deadly for one individual, lol.But I love salt.
I planned to join this year, but all those second guess can really knock a guy down.
Enjoy that rising blood pressure, mate. I'll be watching, away from the presence of those decadent salt mines.
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Ezlare wrote...
I planned to join this year, but all those second guess can really knock a guy down.Second guesses?
Enjoy that rising blood pressure, mate.
Oh, I will.
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Cinia Pacifica
Ojou-sama Writer
What second guesses?
I just finished judging all the entries, now I can be lazy and slack off while the other judges take up their spectacles up and read all day.
I just finished judging all the entries, now I can be lazy and slack off while the other judges take up their spectacles up and read all day.
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Woops, miswording.
I meant to say second guessing oneself can really knock a guy down. As in, I was second guessing myself for the contest.
I meant to say second guessing oneself can really knock a guy down. As in, I was second guessing myself for the contest.
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Xenon
FAKKU Writer
For all those interested, the first poll of the 2014 Winter Writing Contest can be found here, so please give your vote and drop some comments to the authors.
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I want to apologize for not voting in the first poll even though I did in the second. >_< I didn't notice the first poll and today when I was reading and going through the stuff the first poll was closed OTL
Also I feel like the second poll got way more votes than the first, isn't it unfair to be placed in the first poll if the second poll will get more voters? Maybe the poll system isn't the best way to go around it for readers favourite? I dunno I'm new and a n00b but thought I would just share my thoughts.
Also I feel like the second poll got way more votes than the first, isn't it unfair to be placed in the first poll if the second poll will get more voters? Maybe the poll system isn't the best way to go around it for readers favourite? I dunno I'm new and a n00b but thought I would just share my thoughts.
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Xenon
FAKKU Writer
xhimitsu wrote...
I want to apologize for not voting in the first poll even though I did in the second. >_< I didn't notice the first poll and today when I was reading and going through the stuff the first poll was closed OTL Also I feel like the second poll got way more votes than the first, isn't it unfair to be placed in the first poll if the second poll will get more voters? Maybe the poll system isn't the best way to go around it for readers favourite? I dunno I'm new and a n00b but thought I would just share my thoughts.
There's relatively no way to measure out how much attention any poll will get. In some years the first polls got more votes because people's attention tapered off as the contest went on. Additionally, the number of votes isn't that impacting since no matter how many votes, only three (barring ties) entries will go on to the final poll. If what you're suggesting is just have one poll with all 16 entries on it to be more fair, I'm not really certain, since an elimination method provides people the opportunity to vote for more diversity in certain cases while an all-out poll might put too much weight on a single vote.
In truth, the readers choice award was born as a system to provide a counter-part to a council of appointed judges, in case our opinions of the best piece might be vastly different from the one everyone enjoyed the most. I find the cause to be incredibly noble, which is why I equate the level of accomplishment either winner deserves.
What you might be suggesting is that pure democracy may not necessarily be the most efficient and fair method of deciding a victor, but if that is the case, what would be the most efficient and fair method? Can anyone claim to know what that would be considering they are but one person out of many and only truly have their own opinion? I don't really know any more than anyone else, but what I can say is that in a system based around a democratic vote, the best weapon is an informed voter.
And if you have lost faith in humanity and distrust the average voter, that's supposed to be the purpose that the council serves by providing our judges choice.
However, that is also why there are runner-up awards, to provide conciliation to those who do come close, a feat also worthy of respect.
It is worth talking about, and every year I usually have to rely on myself and the other judges to figure out the details with how the contest will be run, but if people have better ideas or more opinions, I'm always open to critique.
That being said, the third and final poll is now up and can be found here. Go let your vote count in the climactic collection of this year's best.
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Xenon wrote...
xhimitsu wrote...
I want to apologize for not voting in the first poll even though I did in the second. >_< I didn't notice the first poll and today when I was reading and going through the stuff the first poll was closed OTL Also I feel like the second poll got way more votes than the first, isn't it unfair to be placed in the first poll if the second poll will get more voters? Maybe the poll system isn't the best way to go around it for readers favourite? I dunno I'm new and a n00b but thought I would just share my thoughts.
There's relatively no way to measure out how much attention any poll will get. In some years the first polls got more votes because people's attention tapered off as the contest went on. Additionally, the number of votes isn't that impacting since no matter how many votes, only three (barring ties) entries will go on to the final poll. If what you're suggesting is just have one poll with all 16 entries on it to be more fair, I'm not really certain, since an elimination method provides people the opportunity to vote for more diversity in certain cases while an all-out poll might put too much weight on a single vote.
In truth, the readers choice award was born as a system to provide a counter-part to a council of appointed judges, in case our opinions of the best piece might be vastly different from the one everyone enjoyed the most. I find the cause to be incredibly noble, which is why I equate the level of accomplishment either winner deserves.
What you might be suggesting is that pure democracy may not necessarily be the most efficient and fair method of deciding a victor, but if that is the case, what would be the most efficient and fair method? Can anyone claim to know what that would be considering they are but one person out of many and only truly have their own opinion? I don't really know any more than anyone else, but what I can say is that in a system based around a democratic vote, the best weapon is an informed voter.
And if you have lost faith in humanity and distrust the average voter, that's supposed to be the purpose that the council serves by providing our judges choice.
However, that is also why there are runner-up awards, to provide conciliation to those who do come close, a feat also worthy of respect.
It is worth talking about, and every year I usually have to rely on myself and the other judges to figure out the details with how the contest will be run, but if people have better ideas or more opinions, I'm always open to critique.
That being said, the third and final poll is now up and can be found here. Go let your vote count in the climactic collection of this year's best.
I'm sorry I'm not completely sure I understood everything you just wrote but I think I got the important part of it. /my vocabulary is quite small so yeah/ I get you want elimination rounds like if it was a real tournament and then yes sometimes you just get matched unluckily and that is just how life it. Also if you as a reader have two stories you like and they end up being in the same poll, then just unlucky for you. It does give more diversity with different polls and I have a feeling people would get more votes since everyone would probably vote in all three polls, leaving rarely anyone with zero votes (maybe). Also If you put all entries in one poll, of course you can't be sure someone will have 'just' their own opinion and it might make the choice way more difficult to choose while when you have 3 polls the pressure of your choice might not seem as heavy.
The thing with you having runner ups really make the poll system a bit hard to work with too *at least for me*. Like usually you only have one vote, and the runner ups will be second and third /end of story/ but having three polls it gives you three votes. Of course you can choose not to vote in the other two, but well who can resist the temptation to vote when you can? Well I don't know about other people but I can't and I might end up voting for the best in that poll section with it not necessarily being my top 2 or top 3, since they might have ended up in the same poll. Of course that might just be bad luck for me but considering, me setting aside time to read people's story I do also want to make sure they know how much I liked it. Yes I do comment on their thread, and in a competition wouldn't those stories be the one you think deserves to win?
I'm not saying the poll system doesn't work *it obviously does when you have used it so many years*, I'm just wondering if there was any alternatives. If it has been working fine the past years you have held the competition and no one else have trouble/have complained about the system, then maybe it is just me who is over-thinking things and having my usual *irregular* opinions.
I have an Idea for an alternative it just
1. give you judges more work,
2. might be more troublesome for the 'voters'
3. take away their anonymity which exist within the polls.
so I'm not sure it would be better than the poll. But instead of voting by poll, you could just pm your top 3 to one of the judges. That, assuming, that all participants trust the judges enough to handle the vote counting. Set a deadline for last received pm. That way you get to vote for the 3 best stories you enjoyed most + won't miss a poll by change if you saw the competition a bit later.
Bad thing is just that the sender won't be anonymous since the judge will know who the person is. If the anonymity isn't a problem, you could also just let people comment with their top 3 votes or top 1 if you want.
I don't know, just sharing a piece of my mind. I apologize if I'm just wasting your time and please do just keep using the poll method if you find it the best way, don't mind me, I'll probably get used to it eventually anyway!
Good luck to all the participants and to the judges with the judging~
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Cinia Pacifica
Ojou-sama Writer
xhimitsu wrote...
The thing with you having runner ups really make the poll system a bit hard to work with too *at least for me*. Like usually you only have one vote, and the runner ups will be second and third /end of story/ but having three polls it gives you three votes. Of course you can choose not to vote in the other two, but well who can resist the temptation to vote when you can? Well I don't know about other people but I can't and I might end up voting for the best in that poll section with it not necessarily being my top 2 or top 3, since they might have ended up in the same poll. Of course that might just be bad luck for me but considering, me setting aside time to read people's story I do also want to make sure they know how much I liked it. Yes I do comment on their thread, and in a competition wouldn't those stories be the one you think deserves to win? I'm not saying the poll system doesn't work *it obviously does when you have used it so many years*, I'm just wondering if there was any alternatives. If it has been working fine the past years you have held the competition and no one else have trouble/have complained about the system, then maybe it is just me who is over-thinking things and having my usual *irregular* opinions.
I have an Idea for an alternative it just
1. give you judges more work,
2. might be more troublesome for the 'voters'
3. take away their anonymity which exist within the polls.
so I'm not sure it would be better than the poll. But instead of voting by poll, you could just pm your top 3 to one of the judges. That, assuming, that all participants trust the judges enough to handle the vote counting. Set a deadline for last received pm. That way you get to vote for the 3 best stories you enjoyed most + won't miss a poll by change if you saw the competition a bit later.
Bad thing is just that the sender won't be anonymous since the judge will know who the person is. If the anonymity isn't a problem, you could also just let people comment with their top 3 votes or top 1 if you want.
The Runner-up system is a little complex, but basically, we tend to be quite flexible with it. For instance, last year - the Judges' Choice was also the Runner-up of the Final poll; so the winner of the Judges' Choice received the main prize, and the next with highest votes in said poll was moved up to claim the Runner-up's position. If there's more than one people with the same amount of votes; all of them supposedly becomes the Runner-ups, which was why we saw two Runner-ups last year. And that is - frankly - a little strange if you ask me, but if we come across such situations, we simply talk it out among ourselves and decide on something. I personally find it unacceptable to have 3 Runner-ups, lol.
The poll is definitely the more simpler and fairer choice. Fair in the sense that we have a fixed deadline and we can't wait for the voters forever. Like it or not, we'll never have all the potential people to vote. Those who show interest and would vote should make it a task to keep checking - if they're really interested in supporting their favorites - instead of coming back every once in a while. I know for a fact that even busy people have managed to pull this off. That's just my personal opinion, of course. Other judges are free to consider otherwise.
While I know that you don't like it that you can't always vote for your personal top three... know that your suggestion is a little icky for use.
Here's the issue from what I can tell; not everyone likes to give away their anonymity. This is an old fact and I wouldn't even want to debate it. Second poll had about 20 voters - pray tell, did we see 20 different individuals posting and commenting actively? I think you know the answer to that. We may lose at least about half the voters for the contests and I don't think anyone truly wishes for such an outcome. Your suggested system - albeit not exactly the same - was actually used before and it was very unsuccessful for a different contest (Valentine Contest), if I remember right. We don't know for a fact, but it was obvious that the one and only judge of that event just decided on a particular winner she preferred the writing of.
Just so you know, we use the very same system you've suggested, but only among the judges. The judges - every year - are required to go through the entries and come up with their own individual top 3 list of entries. Then we talk it out. If there are exceptional entries; judges are permitted to have top 4 or 5 and so on, and thus we're always open to having more entries to consider on the table.
People missing the chance to vote is indeed an issue worth thinking about, and I believe you should not apologize for addressing it. We are open to suggestions, but we have the obligation to go with the best possible option available. Regardless, I thank you for taking the time to think about improving the current system.
If you have more suggestions, I'm all ears here.
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Xenon
FAKKU Writer
xhimitsu wrote...
I'm sorry I'm not completely sure I understood everything you just wrote but I think I got the important part of it. /my vocabulary is quite small so yeah/I don't know, just sharing a piece of my mind. I apologize if I'm just wasting your time and please do just keep using the poll method if you find it the best way, don't mind me, I'll probably get used to it eventually anyway!
Good luck to all the participants and to the judges with the judging~
My apologies if I tend to be overly verbose, though I am a member of the Writing and Fanfiction section so I suppose that might be expected.
These are good ideas, and ones that might work if people take a preferred shining to them. The polls have been done pretty much the same consistent way for the past four years, so people know what to expect, but talking about change can be a good thing if it's more effective or worth trying out. And talking about these things would never be a waste of time. Thank you for being so polite, though.
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Just noticed I haven't introduced myself here in the Writers' Lounge yet. Hi everyone! I'll be under everyone's care. *bow*
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Cinia Pacifica
Ojou-sama Writer
RavenxSinon wrote...
Just noticed I haven't introduced myself here in the Writers' Lounge yet. Hi everyone! I'll be under everyone's care. *bow*'Sup?
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Revelation
Defender of DFC
This thread is like herpes, as soon as you kill it and forget about it, it comes back.