God

Equal rights?
People can have equal rights despite God.

Something called "Free-Will" allows me to do the opposite.

i believe in God..
I`m a Catholic
the me back then was different to the one i was now...
I`m not that religious or something..
it just moved me in many different ways i cant
really explain how but it did changed something to me..
i was rebellious back then.. quite a delinquent..
i think my first sign was the guitar.. i all started there..
and so to cut story short i do believe in god..

Wait, have you CONVERTED to Catholicism/Christianity?

yes, but at least there's some proof to back it up. even though most are still unexplained.

Somehow this is a question I would never want an answer to.

Well First of I’m a pearlist
which means that I believe in Physical Evidence And Reasoned Logic(PEARL for short)

I believe the question if god exist or not is meaningless, because as far as I know everything real that there is an explanation for today doesn’t need god to explain anything. This makes god unnecessary because we can explain things with him or without him. It makes absolutely no difference.

furthermore there seem to be no evidence or theory based on evidence that requires god to make sense. Therefore the question if god exist or not is as meaningful as if there were intelligent aliens on earth, Santa Claus, the flying spaghetti monster, wizards like in harry potter, and so on, as long as we explain them so that they work perfectly with the world we know. But as long as there isn’t anything real that requires them to make sense. I have no reason to believe in it.

because when I’m faced with 2 explenations and they seem to be equal in probability to be true, and the only difference between them is that the first of them have more entities, assumptions, claims etc

I chose the second one!

This is copied directly from a thread I made awhile ago, and it has to do with my beliefs


I am subject to a god of my own creation. Not a special deity with omnipotent powers, or someone like that Haruhi character, but a personal god from which all my life was governed. You might call it having an argument with my own personal demons, but I don't believe that is the case

This god (which I believe to be akin to a woman, perhaps because of my own mixed experience with them) is absolutely apathetic. She has no sympathy for the happenings of my life, has a wickedly just sense of humor, and is completely dependent on the choices I make. I have also discovered that this god seems to like peaches (it's a long story, don't ask)

Now, some may call that putting a face on accountability, and hence leading to the fact that I cannot face the simple aspect of random chance, or my own choices. However I could say the same to all members of mainstream religion and I believe would not be far from the truth.


So in short, through my own life experience I have come to believe in a god that exists only in my mind.

Seems a lot like Occam's Razor to me.

Thats because it is occam's razor.

But note that I was not talking about the easiest way to describe the world, but the way wich do not have enteties wich don't make (or made) any difference on how the world looks and works. In other words the way wich have no entities that dont interact one way or the other with the world. An entity that dont interact with anything is impossible to detect and it works exactly the same way as something that don't exist. Of course if god or the flying shagheti monster would exist it would have made a difference, because one of them would then have created the world (if thats a part of our definition of god and the flying sphagheti monster).

I see no bigger reason to believe in god or the flying sphagheti monster than all other things we can make upp wich works perfectly with the world as we know it but there is no proof for, or a theory based o proof for that requires it to make sense.

Of course if a logical theory based on evidence or proof would turn up I to would start believe in god, the flying sphagheti monster or wathever, after I have checked that the sources are realible, if Im not seeing it directly.

Yes, I understand where you are coming from.

What I am concerned with is how it all began. Science has proven that everything that is had to be created by something. Basically, that is why I believe God was this creator, or ultimate mover. God does not necessarily have to play a role in life today, but he could still exist. It just a theory, but I believe in this theory. You can chose not to and disagree, and I'm alright with that.

The universe was either Always there, or was created. Logically, I believe in the latter.

If God created the universe, then we would ask the same question of whether God was always there, or if God had a creator. That I do not know.

Note that I am not talking about the God of the bible, just a "Supreme Being" if you will.

I dissagre with god being a theory, yes. The definition of a theory is that it must be based on evidence and be logical in short. As far as I know there is no evidence you can base such a theory on, you have to show me that before you can call it a theory. Untill then its just a belief, like the wizard world in harry potter for example.

Please tell me where I can find more info on that scienctists have proven that everything has to be created from something? I have heard the contrary wich is that an particle and an antiparticle can be created from nothing but they almost always take out echother and leave nothing the moment after (they exist under an extremly short time), exept in special cases such as where a black holes event horizon ends. whats happening then is that the particle is created outside the horizon and the antiparticle inside the horizon, and because nothing can escape a black hole inside the eventhorizon we can detect the particle as a kind of radiation from a black hole, while the antiparticle goes into the black hole and anhilate a particle and itself there. This is called Hawking radiation from stewen hawkings who came up with the theory before the radiation had been discovered. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation

If the universe is everything god is a part of it wich means that the universe where always there or came out of nothing. to say that something always have existed is not logical because then an eternal time must have passed as we can go backwards in time into eternity, and because eternity + x = eternity (when x is a real number and x>0) the time can't go any further it must stand still wich it don't do. On the other hand I agree on that it doesn't sound logical that something can came out of nothing either but I'm not sure about that.

Oh, and if you define god as something that created everything it makes sense but not that it also should be a "supreme being". what do you mean with supreme and being (whats your definition on the 2 words)? and why must it be that? do you have any support for it? why not just say for example that it started big bang and nothing more, that its just a trigger?

^ This.

Until I hear words from someone who is actually godly and can preform said miracles that people say a god can do I will have to say I do not beleive in such things.
But so far I have heard everything a "god" could say and do from a preacher.

I personally am on the fence with this one ^^"
but just to add some spice here's an idea. What if in fact there is no existance in the sense of being physically existing? Maybe everything is nothing more than just a string of consciousness. That would at least explain GOD, since he wouldn't need to exist for him to create everything. Also, since everything is nothing more than a conscious thought, the world doesn't need to have been created from nothing since it isn't actually there.
Fust a thought, but tell me what you think

Hmm.

I've been pondering about this idea.

Say that the Universe WAS created by a God. Now keeping that in mind, since this God seems to be no longer present, I could presume that this God DIED either when God started the creation or over time, as opposed to deists saying that God does not appear because he just flipped a switch for something to start and is now cooking pasta in the other room!

Just an idea.

I believe the sin of Onan was not consoling his brother's widow, more recent societies have since framed this tale as a warning against masturbation.

In short, the interpretation of the bible is framed within the culture you exist in, and although it does contain the wisdom of 1000s of years of human civilization, successive generations glean a different grain of truth from it. I think this neither detracts from or adds to peoples belief in its divinity once they have made up their mind. However it seems to me that any living artifact of human culture that had survived for so long would have value.

I don't biliev in any kind of god or creator. Untyl I see one I believ in nothing. I think this is atheism or whatnot. Altough I got baptized in a roman catholic church, but nothing more.