U.S.A Opinion

1) hold your horse boy, first if you live in Ghent you are not a walloon and if you live in brussels then you are also not a walloon. All official stuff in Ghent is in dutch and All official stuff in brussels is both in french and dutch. Now there is the occasional shopkeeper in brussels that can only speak french. This is not good and should be improved but calling it a disgrace is a little dramatic.

2) Now I already said it's a regretable event and should be dealed with, however your extreme conclusion that the whole of europe is unfree is just pure bullshit. I could say the whole of america is racist because you have racist groups that go around beating people up.


I will tell you what a disgrace is: your president says god bless all the fucking time. Thats a disgrace to humanity and all the progress made in the last centuries

Hold your horses because I know about the Wallons moving into Flemish areas and refusing to speaking Flemish and how they refuse to speak the language. And I never said that the whole of Europe is unfree. I could make a general assumption about E.U member countries as it slowly eats away at national sovereignty for its members.

We stopped going to the moon because we've been there and collected enough samples from it that it's old news. Even though we're busy studying the rest of the universe, we send a probe or two to the moon to check shit out.



America actually has a shitload of political parties. We even allow for write-in candidates that don't even belong to a party, so long as they can get enough support. As fucked up as our political system is, we allow people to vote by choice, not fear. We might not have more than 2 major political parties, but we also don't have daily riots, which can't be said for the majority of democratic nations.


We might not be the shining example of a thriving, democratic nation, but we're doing a lot better than the rest of the world. As fucked up as we are, the US is still better than any other country.

Where do you get this crap? I take it you are refering to the dispute over several places close to Brussels ? If you are then you don't get the complex structure that is Brussel. If you are not then you are just bullshitting you can't even pay taxes in Flanders if you can't read dutch because it is in dutch.



Tell me how you are doing better than any other country?

Can gay people marry in any state in The USA?
Can a strictly atheist person become President and not say God bless America all the time?
Maybe you should tell the people at Guantanamo Bay how free the US is.

Yes I'm referring to the dispute around Brussels.

And to answer your questions for the other guy.

1.) Marriage is a state regulation which would be under utilized if implemented do to the fact the average gay man has an average of 100+ different sexual partners throughout their life times.

2.) No Atheists here are viewed as and are often neckbeard fedora wearing, anti-social cretins or wackos like those people from Atheism plus. People like Dawkins are viewed as having a grudge against the church because a priest molested him.

3. Geneva Convention doesn't cover terrorists. Terrorists as per the Geneva convention are(is) someone who fights without an established rank from a country or is not from a known rebel group that represents a known government. Neither of which the people in Gitmo are. And the way the see the Government and the UN sees it is they gave up their human rights when they decided to join groups dedicated too blowing up civilians and and beheading contractors that go into countries to help rebuild them.


And you still addressed the issue of the E.U destroying national sovereignty in Europe.

You don't get the idea of Brussels it's more complex that's why it has been a dispute for so long. It's a problem made a long time ago and it is hard to fix now, hardly anything that would harm our freedom though.

1.) Thats totally irelevant, just the fact that you can't marry if you are gay makes you less free then in countries where you can

2.) Atheisme just mean you don't believe in a god, it doesnt mean you adore Richard Dawkins. That's like saying al muslims are terrorists and all catolics are pedophiles. The fact that you cant be a president as an atheist makes you less free.

3.) I refered to all the innocent people that were arrested and send to Guantanamo Bay to be tortured while they didnt even get a trail and no evidence of their guilt was ever presented. It's insane that the supposed land of the free would just do this to people, and on such a scale all ordered by the government. If you compare this to 1 girl having to go with the police without any charges well then I think you are doing far worse.


O and the EU is trying to unite Europe to make it a bigger player in the world, I would like to see a United States of Europe with former countries as states and a European president.

1.) Marriage isn't a fundamental right that why it is left up to the each separate state to regulate it. What you're not saying is that many states have no problem allowing civil unions but extremists on both sides keep making the issue larger than what it really is. There are no laws saying you can't be queer.

2.) A person running for president can be an Atheist, it's just no one would vote for him because Atheists are seen as edgy tweens and people with grudges against the church.

3.) How many of those people actually are innocent, because they got a whole lot of info out of them that lead to the death of Bin Laden and a lot of other things. Does this mean I condone torture, No I don't but legally they have no rights under U.S and International law.


I also see you're a fascist who wants to control everything and ban and bash everything you don't like, so it's ironic that you claim the U.S isn't free while wanting to strip people and nations of their own rights.

I'll insert some political thought as an actual American in America: Heterosexual(ie: straight) marriages have a shorter and shorter time frame, divorce is rising and the costs of a marriage licence are expansive.

Then there's the Death tax, the estate tax, and married couples are taxed higher in general. Shall I go on?

How does it make them "less free"? I'll tell you what restricts freedom: A movement of some 9 million Americans(the LBGT movement) telling the rest of the country to put up and shut up. Why should 291 million Americans compromise their
hetrosexual society for some 9 million Americans?

Ideally, marriage should be privatized. If a gay or lesbian couple wants to get married, there should be a church or clergy out there that supports that. But for example, why indoctrinate the Catholic Church? If Catholics don't believe in Homosexuality isn't that their choice?

These movements aren't about "equality"(enshrined to them via the Bill of Rights as well as the Civil Rights act of the 1960's.) They're about the "special" rights of minorities.

Insofar as the state of affairs in America today, if the traitorous 'Gang of 8' approve of Amnesty for millions of illegals, Americans will finally be fed up of this anti-national approach to government. If not immediately at the moment, they'll be furious as they know that the drug cartel mafia expands throughout America, and taking our children's jobs in the process.



Except, that's not necessarily true. I just invoked the Bill of Rights and the Civil Rights act. I'll also invoke the First Amendment, specifically outlining the separation of Church and State. Britain is a theocracy, the Founders dismissed it. An Atheist can run for and win the Presidency if his ideals are good. In fact, a growing number of people are atheists!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/atheism-rise-religiosity-decline-in-america_n_1777031.html

It just so happens America has a rich religious culture or rather, a history as it would. In the next few decades, an atheist will probably run for office.

America's religious background doesn't make it a religious state, nor is it required. It's just a tradition and a component to American public life.



I don't think there's a person, democrat or Republican(unless a few of the dying RINOS of the Bush Republicans want to continue shouting desperately into the abyss) support Guantanamo Bay. Unfortunately, it's a catch-22.

Release these dangerous terrorists, and there's a possibility they will go back to terrorist activities. Even those who formerly weren't terrorists, probably would look at terrorism in a different light considering how we tortured them.

If we were to close it, I'd like a careful and precise deportation policy, treating them as we would offenders in probation. Constantly under our watch.
If, after 5-10 years they've refrained from engaging in terrorist activities, our surveillance will cease.

Ironically, Obama hasn't really moved in this(or any steps). So blaming Bush doesn't work for Democrats. It's bipartian problem of incompetence in the U.S. Government in my opinion.

The European Union is inefficient, boggled with debt and much like Continental America, the truth is you cannot sufficiently merge the economies of Rome, Germany, France and England!

That said, as an American(and thereby an Englishman) I believe we Americans are Europeans in blood. If it were up to me, I'd join the European Union and make the dollar the currency of the Union. With American backing and security, the European Union can be stabilized. And in turn, the dollar would be strengthened against competing Asian currencies.

A win/win.

There is no law saying you can't be gay, but there are laws that say you can't have the same rights as a straight person, especially when it comes to marriage. Marriage on both the state and federal level allow specific tax benifits per year and allow certain joint benifits like death insurance, which are not available to others who aren't married. Also civil union does not hold the same weight in court when battles for custody of children are being debated.

That all being said, I don't see what your origional point of gay people having 100+ different sexual partners has to do with anything. I've gotten to know many people in the gay community who have been in relationships with the same person for more than 30 years. And many who are varied inbetween. I've also meet many straight females and males who have had 100+ different sexual partners in less than a year. It has nothing to do with your sexual attraction and more to do with being a slut. Especially for women who believe that feminism gives them a right to achieve orgasm whenever they want by sleeping with whoever they want. But that is a whole different topic all together.

I'm not sure what your point on all of this is, but you're broad painting people which is an incorrect way to support your argument.

@LustfulAngel

According to the fundamental rights defined by the united nations declaration of human rights, it is. Under the united nations declaration of human rights, it clearly stated that the right to marry is a basic human right.

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/edumat/hreduseries/hereandnow/Part-5/8_udhr-abbr.htm

But what I find interesting is how america has BROKEN the declaration of human rights as created by them with the UN after the second world war.

I live on the north side of Chicago. I rent with my gay cousin because he thought his ex would sneak back in to his place and kill him. The gay couple that gets portrayed his far from the average gay person. You get the outliers who have been in one relationship for 10+ years but that is not the norm. In truth most are very violent and aggressive, could care less about marriage and only try and push it to show up the christian majority. And I have heard this in person but there is a overwhelming amount that would love to see gay sex pushed onto children 5 and under at school and on t.v. And while a civil union aren't the same right now the laws can be changed but it is not up to the federal government to decide that but the states.

-"State sovenigty, National Union" Motto of Illinois

I think TheOtherJacob covered this well, nothing to add.



It says god bless on your money, your president says god bless all the time. How cna you be free if even your government are bound by the cage that is god.



Way too many they are all put in there without evidence or anything. Every person has rights. The only exeption is that you can be locked up if you are deemed a danger to other peoples rights.



What when did I say that?



They don't get the legal advantages of marriage, inheritance for example. TheOtherJacob listed a few other ones.



No besides the symbolic meaning marriage actually has a big legal meaning it's a legal contract between 2 people. No churches dont have to marry homosecual persons but the state should.



Same counts for Europe but religion is a cage and in Europe we are a few steps farther in getting out of that cage, thus making us a but more free.



It is not easy and many mistakes have already been made but that doesnt mean it should be given up.



But Europe has other goals, I wouldnt like it very much to be swallowed by america. But maybe it will have to drift in that direction. America is losing it's power just like Europe has so maybe they both need to shake hands. Don't see it happening any times soon though can't even unite europe



Do I smell some kind of marchall plan mentality?

Then there's the Marriage of Defense act, which specifies that a marriage between a man and a woman is a valid marriage, the U.N Charter likely holds the same viewpoint.

Even if marriages become inclusive, the LBGT community is such a minor part of the world that I believe it should be privatized. In this case, "Separate but equal" applies in a fair state of law.

I mean, it's a piece of paper signifying your relationship. How can that possibly be a "right" and even if it is a right just how significant is it?

From a romantic standpoint, pretty significant. But from a lawful standpoint? Not so much and given all of the complications of marriage I'd rather avoid the divorce courts.

You overestimate the how religious people actually are here "In God we Trust" was added to piss of Commies in the 50's

"Every person has rights"

Not according to international laws according to them you join Al-Queda you lose your rights.

You support the E.U and want entire nations to disappear in a 4th Reich. There's no need to hide just be honest about it.

How do you come up with this shit, I was talking about a political and economical cooperation taking the US system of states as an example of how Europe could be I never talked about anything you are implying. What is a nation anyway we are all in it together nationalistic views only result in tragedy like srebrenica. To me you are a European if you live under the European laws without looking at cultural differences tell me how that is a 4th Reich.

You support the E.U which has stripped the people of it's member states of voting power and put in the hands of Politicians and Bankers in Brussels. That's pretty fascist to me.

What voting power? People still do the same voting they always did.
And im pro European Union that doesnt mean I support all their decisions, I just support the intent.

I suggest you do ome research on fascism cause it seems like you don't have a clue about what it is.

I think you don't. When was the last time actual people living in the E.U not politicians voted on something that affected the whole of the E.U. You're a little control freak disguising your lust to control under "We had peace for 60+ years"

Really? That's a social problem, not a political problem.

Dude you can talk to yourself if you are going to decide what im thinking you havent even understood any word I said. I could just follow your style and say you are a redneck who fucks his sister during the day and goes round beating gay people with an american flag at night.

WHO the fuck gives you reputation for such a post



Same goes for the arrested girl in the UK

You go a step farther and on a personal level as opposed to the political level on that insult.


How is it a social problem? I guess it's okay for others to say far worse things, but one comment is enough for natives to get arrested?

Funny how you actually don't want to give credit to a "conservative" news site. Tell me a news site that isn't biased.