[Locked] What is a troll?

No offense waar (or Matt) but, I get this feeling that Mattarat only posted that since the two of you are friends. I understand that you specifically asked that nothing personal be drudged up but, that effectively ties a persons hands on this discussion.

Actually it's because i posted a picture of a dick.

Ah my apologies to Waar and Matt for my previous statement then.

Dude, you don't need to be sorry for my dick picture. I'm just letting you know what's up.

Actually I reported the post asking whoever was online to say something; matt must have been checking the forums when I reported it... I did request that everyone keep this topic clean of personal business; It's not a rule but I am trying to avoid this thread getting deleted. Tied hands? Can we not discuss trolling and trolls without using names of current active users? Come on FPOD, I would expect you of all people would be one who is able to debate most anything with whatever constraints put on your posts. I may not agree with you on everything (most things tbh) but I know you are one of the few people who I can count on to be able to keep things professional.

I haven't read every page of this thread. In fact, I've only really read the first page, because that's all a person needs to read. The first page simply (and one could argue, accurately) defined what a troll was. The main thing that defines a troll seems to be "ill intent," and though a exact definition of "ill intent" could be argued, I think it's plain to see for the most part. Thus, why this has six pages is beyond my understanding, if the only purpose is to define what a troll is.

They seem to be defining who a troll is now.

maybe they went further than just defining?

it would have been nice if you actually read the entire post before commenting shagg... As M said, most of the posts are pointless bickering between prosecutors and defendants, there is also a portion of the posts dedicated to the questions i asked and the actual debate I wanted to raise; some of which define tolling as something very different than what you saw on the first page. Don't dismiss a thread unless you plan on digging a little deeper, assumptions make one look foolish. (I hope that didn't come off as hostile; I did not intend for it to do so)

<- Posting in a troll thread

This thread is awesome, and congratulations for the unplanned affect that it had on people's responses. I think we already came to a conclusion as to what most of the definition is, so yea, maybe this threads should get stickied? (for more reasons than just it's definition)

@waar haha, you still have <90 rep.

edit: you'll be back to 89 in no time.

stopped caring to be honest; it's a pointless struggle.

It was another way to say that we can't be specific and yet we need to be in order to come to a singular conclusion on the definition of a troll. While it's not impossible to do so, it does make it easier.

Edit: I'll agree that it would most likely cause a lot of drama to be specific. I think you'll find it reasonable that if people MUST get specific. They can quote the "troll post" and erase the users name. Then say "This is an example of my definition".

You don't disagree with the general ideas, you just disagree on the exact methods.

trolls are pretty much annoying assholes who post threads meant to annoy people and pick on people for no reason

That, and people who disrupt the flow of the forum. I think most people who've been on FAKKU! long enough that I'm a stickler for forum decorum and neatness. People who actively disturb the flow and use spamming, insulting, and derogatory terms as tools are trolls in my opinion. Going out of your way to screw around and contribute nothing is trolling, plain and simple.

I've been following this topic closely and it seem to me that many of the users here at Fakku still have misconceptions of what a troll really is; at least according to my definition. A troll is someone who actively seeks chaos and instability, often resorting to childish behavior like name calling/personal attacks to cause negative emotions among one or multiple users on a forum. I believe where people come into problems recognizing a troll is that a troll must use consistent effort to assault a particular user or group. When I made a "Hime stop posting as much as you do" thread it wasn't trolling, I posted my opinion once and then defended myself against multiple white knights for the rest of the thread. When I asked the community what they felt about Kaho's "Ruuuuu" it wasn't trolling as I didn't even offer my own opinion; I was simply a facilitator for both parties. People jump to conclusions and label anyone they dislike as a troll nowadays.



This is possibly the most accurate statement to describe a troll in this entire thread. Most of the time people being accused of being a troll end up becoming fairly negative/hostile users due to that fact that they have been labeled as such. The real trolls are those of you who consistently bash and hate on specific users while providing nothing for this community; no names but you know who you are. People who simply get behind their friends without thinking of the problem at hand, those who attack based on their personal opinion and feelings without thinking about what's being said; you are the true trolls. What I really want, what my overall goal on these forums is to meet people who think for themselves, those who look at a debate/problem and think of their own opinion, make a rational decision and post that instead of simply backing a user they believe to be a friend; that is my opinion of the perfect forum.

Don't misunderstand this, I don't believe I'm without fault, or that I've never trolled anyone; I simply believe many of you should look into a mirror before you label someone a troll again.

I did break my own rules about using names in this post but the only name mentioned was my own (both incidents were where I was labeled a troll); feel free to use me or my past offenses from this point on to make your points.

That's a nice, detailed and reasonable view of what a troll is but even so, that's just your opinion on it, nobody else here (well probably not nobody...) is wrong just because you disagree with them.

Though it's interesting to note that you chose a definition which doesn't label you a troll....though still only barely. The major difference being that you pointless annoy/attack groups of people all at once and hop around on a new person to bash at regular intervals. Also I have trouble believing you want from this community what you claim to want as you make a habit of trying to make anyone who disagrees with you look bad. At best I would say you have some goals you didn't state that conflict with those you did, at worst...well people have imaginations they can think that one out themselves. (Yes yes, I know we aren't supposed to mention specific people in this thread but your post was for the most part about you.)

Ramsus you haven't been paying attention to me in the past few months then. I haven't called anyone out for anything specifically and my only large scale posts were about the quality of threads. Why does it seem interesting that my definition does not include me as a troll per say, merely someone who trolls at times? I'm not innocent, nor am I a troll (i think the majority agree); I am a human being, with shades of gray. I believe that because you aren't me and don't know what I'm thinking I don't believe you can truly have any idea what my real goals are. Why not take them at face values, why not take me for my words; I haven't lied to this community and I don't intend to. Perhaps you should read more of my posts Ramsus; your opinion might just change.

I think that many definitions people are providing for "troll" are the generic brand, and what specifically tics us off delves into a deeper meaning of "troll" which differs on a case by case basis - and not everyone is providing it.

To date, I believe I've only labeled one person as a troll, and I've been in a couple of arguments with other members. I shouldn't use names, but seeing how he doesn't visit this site (at least the forums), there was this one guy named GourmetPrince. I don't think he was a troll, but I know he was trolling me. Does it take one case of trolling to make a person a troll? I don't think so, but I was close to writing him off as a troll because he really pissed me off. On a general basis, I try not to hate or bash anyone, which I believe still holds true of me.

Trolls are people who repetitively disturb the peace by being a jackass, dumbass, or both, and I feel it does not have to be targeted to multiple users to make a person a troll. They simply direct their antics to the public and attack the user(s) who respond for the purpose of getting satisfaction from a provoked user. Whether it be singular or plural, having more than one occasion of trolling marks a troll.

Let's not drop a drama-bomb on this thread ok?