StrayDog wrote...
First off, thank you, Naoto, for making this into a personal matter. Had anyone else made the post I just did you probably wouldn't have even responded. And we all know who you're affiliated with, so I guess it's not surprising to see you dredging up old grudges rather than keeping this an unbiased debate.
But I'll pretend that you don't fit in with a select group of people who hate me, and that this isn't a personal attack cleverly disguised as a "psychologist's unbiased expert opinion", and respond how I normally would.
Spoiler'd my response to Naoto since he brought it to a personal level, and ask that he doesn't do it again. Naoto, if you want to discuss my behavior and bring up past drama then I'd be happy to do so in PM. The topic is about trolling in general, Waar specifically said not to bring up personal events.
This is a perfect example of my point. I never intended it to dig deep as for you to call it a "personal" level but you did anyway. I will continue to respond here as my response will not concern your behaviour as it never did at all. In fact if you would read without minding the posts that supported mine but misunderstood it and called you a troll you'd find out that I was merely explaining an answer to your question.
StrayDog wrote...
Now remember you said
community. Not "a group of members who hold a personal grudge". Because I'll be bringing this point up later.
I can see no reason why you had to bring that up. I was merely saying that those group of people will always find what you did as "offensive", I never did say that you are offensive in the eyes of the FAKKU community. What is true however is that group of people is a part of a non-mainstream group that can be classified as another community. Therefore it's also true that inside the FAKKU community there's a smaller community that took offense to your post. Now that I explained it in this manner, I request your insight and tell me what's personal there.
StrayDog wrote...
If the community decides as a whole, then the Waifu incident wasn't trolling at all. I followed every rule and played fair. My behavior was perfectly acceptable. It's only someone's opinion if they think my intentions were unjust. Still, A large portion of the community members saw nothing wrong with what I did.
But the people who lost and their friends, together, that small portion of the community childishly flamed and de-rep'd me. And according to most people that would be considered trolling.
I have to apologize if what I did singled you out. It was never my intention whether you believe it or not. My intention was to give you an example that you yourself experienced so that you would immediately understand what I mean but now I see that it had the opposite effect.
Unless you can make a survey and actually plot this "large" part of the population. But whether you do or not, you must accept that a sub-community hates you which is inside the bigger community that you are a part of, FAKKU.
I must explain why I chose this as an example. First and foremost it has been assumed that the community that hates you for that act is the chatroll community. However it is true that some members of this community could careless if you claimed Tepes or not, frankly I don't even know her. However the more vocal and known people in the community have decided to brand your act as troll and until now it's evident that what they said clearly affects the opinion of the whole forums. In short you can call your friends and have them say that what you did is not offensive but that community and majority in it have already made up their mind. Like I said, the community would decide, not necessarily the overall FAKKU community.
StrayDog wrote...
And I say this should merit criticism. You just justified people flaming, trolling, and negative repping other members out of personal feelings of anger.
And you stated earlier that a community decides if a post is offensive or not. So, if the post isn't considered offensive by the community but by an individual, then it's still okay for that individual to attack other members? Because his feelings are hurt? Hardly seems like good forum behavior to me.
I don't see in anyway that I have justified flaming. For me, flaming is wrong whatever the reason is. What I meant was that you cannot blame them for feeling the way they do. As 90% of human decisions are fueled by emotions, I stated that it's understandable for them to act that way but not necessarily correct. It was never a question of good or bad behavior at all.
StrayDog wrote...
You see what you did there? You took something I said and warped it. I never said they bashed the character, and I never said it was in a thread where it would offend fans, either.
There are "Characters You Hate" threads, and it's perfectly acceptable to post about characters you don't like. I won't post the person's name who took a rep dive because I'm trying to keep this an open debate and not bring it down to a petty grudge/argument level, but he's not someone who ANYONE would consider to be a troll. In a completely civil manner he posted why he didn't like a character, in the appropriate thread, and was still attacked for it. So, no, it's not like shouting "you suck" in a concert. You're completely wrong.
No, I do not see what I did there for those words only came from you just now. In your earlier post you never said what thread it came from and you just said he got -repped. From my experience in this forum -rep usually comes after bashing so I posted on how it looked to me. If you do not want facts warped then I suggest you give all necessary information in your primary post not after it's replied on. For example, you never said that this so called post was in a "Characters you hate" thread. If that's the case then it's a totally different matter.